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I only like the el primo from them. Are they considered a better brand than breitling?

"Better" is a highly subjective word. That said (and despite Breitling claims that the B01 is the "best chronograph movement in the world") the El Primero is arguably considered as the finest chronograph movement around today. In terms of the brand in general, then as Roff will attest, they have been known to have a few QC issues at times.... but then there are a few people here who could say the same about Breitling. It's all swings and roundabouts really.



And all of the watches that I listed are El Primeros! El Primero (or El Primo if you prefer) is a movement, not a model.

If Zenith had handled the problems that I had better then I would have more, and to be fair the customer service has been good, just not the technical service. Zenith value for money is exceptional and makes Breitling look exactly what it is - overpriced. The El Primero movement family is head and shoulders above anything that Breitling has, not just the high beat, but the quality of finishing, the variety, etc.


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I only like the el primo from them. Are they considered a better brand than breitling?

"Better" is a highly subjective word. That said (and despite Breitling claims that the B01 is the "best chronograph movement in the world") the El Primero is arguably considered as the finest chronograph movement around today. In terms of the brand in general, then as Roff will attest, they have been known to have a few QC issues at times.... but then there are a few people here who could say the same about Breitling. It's all swings and roundabouts really.



And all of the watches that I listed are El Primeros! El Primero (or El Primo if you prefer) is a movement, not a model.

If Zenith had handled the problems that I had better then I would have more, and to be fair the customer service has been good, just not the technical service. Zenith value for money is exceptional and makes Breitling look exactly what it is - overpriced. The El Primero movement family is head and shoulders above anything that Breitling has, not just the high beat, but the quality of finishing, the variety, etc.


What type of problems did you run into with the Zenith watches? btw what does "not just the high beat" mean?


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What type of problems did you run into with the Zenith watches? btw what does "not just the high beat" mean?



Big date keeps breaking and it takes Zenith more than 6 months to fix it each time. All El Primeros are 5Hz movements, vs. 4Hz for all Breitlings and the majority of brands (or less than 4Hz). That means that the balance moves 36,000 times an hour making the watch inherently more accurate by design than the 28,800bph of a Breitling.


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Oh I see. How do you know all these things about watches? My next one other than the Alpina, I want a zenith I think.


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What type of problems did you run into with the Zenith watches? btw what does "not just the high beat" mean?



Big date keeps breaking and it takes Zenith more than 6 months to fix it each time. All El Primeros are 5Hz movements, vs. 4Hz for all Breitlings and the majority of brands (or less than 4Hz). That means that the balance moves 36,000 times an hour making the watch inherently more accurate by design than the 28,800bph of a Breitling.




Honestly though, if it keeps breaking then wouldnt that make Zenith kinda junky? I feel that if you spend that much money on a watch, that it should be almost flawless and for years. Maybe after a long number of years it should lose time.


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What type of problems did you run into with the Zenith watches? btw what does "not just the high beat" mean?



Big date keeps breaking and it takes Zenith more than 6 months to fix it each time. All El Primeros are 5Hz movements, vs. 4Hz for all Breitlings and the majority of brands (or less than 4Hz). That means that the balance moves 36,000 times an hour making the watch inherently more accurate by design than the 28,800bph of a Breitling.




Honestly though, if it keeps breaking then wouldnt that make Zenith kinda junky? I feel that if you spend that much money on a watch, that it should be almost flawless and for years. Maybe after a long number of years it should lose time.



Everyone has lemons, just ask Breitling! And the problem had nothing to do withaccuracy of timekeeping.


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I see. yea i guess that makes sense.


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[quote="FlyingFish44"]everything from Tag all the way to Rolex. For one reason or another I decided the flying fish was the best watch for me. ]


Delivered one of these last week; you got one of my favorites. Out of the whole line I would say you got more of the more interesting models. congrats



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I only have to copy my recent post written into another thread:

"I had a beautiful Zenith Chronomaster full calendar cal. 410 and had plenty of problems. The watch went back to Le Locle some 4 or 5 times for various problems when I decided to sell it. In the end I just wanted to have the watch serviced once in the life correctly to be able to sell it without cheating the buyer. But never, never Zenith again.
And that for two reasons (not counting the output of their after-market service, both CR and technical): the horizontal clutch of the chronograph and the high-beat escapement. In spite many say that lubrication of the 36.000 A/h is not a problem any more, unfortunately yes. The El Primero (with all the respect to Zenith for being the first auto chrono producers) was never as rugged, sturdy piece as the ugly LWO 5100 or the Valjoux 7750. You may throw stones on me but I'll always choose a 7750-driven chrono over an El Primero, not to say the most of modern manufacture chronos, including the Breitling B01 - which I'm expecting to buy, in a Chronomat 41, as soon as there'll be a day-date version, just to have all features of my CSO I.
So all in all, never Zenith again. Regardless of RRP."

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