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Hi Folks,
I just purchased a new Navitimer (46) with B1 movement today and maybe someone who already has one can answer a question relating to the winding crown?

According to the instruction manual on the 'preparation for use' page 15, it states that when the time/date functions are carried out, the crown has to be pushed back into position1, which I have done. However, the crown will still rotate - it doesn't screw in tight against the watch case. Is this normal please?

I have two seawolfs and a super avenger and the crowns of all of these watches tighten up against the casings.

If someone could take the time to enlighten me on this matter, it would be immensely appreciated.

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Perfectly normal, there is now screw down crown on Navitimers because they have virtually no water resistance anyway. Position 1 is the position the watch is in for winding so if it didn't rotate you could have problems!

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The crown on a navitimer does screw down and tighten like those on an avenger series. The navitimer crown will simply push back against the case. When you pull it out there are two stops, the first will let you set the date and the second stop, which is when you pull the crown all the way out will allow you to set the time. The lack of a screw down crown is the prime reason for the lack of water resistance in the navitimer line versus that of the avenger series! Good luck with the new watch!


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Much obliged Roffensian and 56scooter for taking the time and trouble to respond so promptly - I thought there was something wrong and if so, wanted to take it back asap.

It's truly a nice looking watch, but personally I can't see where the money is, with the seawolf and avenger costing about half of the price - in fact I still may go for a refund - seriously thinking about it (lol)

Once again gentlemen, many thanks for your help.

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56scooter wrote:
The lack of a screw down crown is the prime reason for the lack of water resistance in the navitimer line versus that of the avenger series!


Just to offer a slightly different view -- I think that the prime reason for the lack of water resistance in the Navitimer line is due to the nature of the rotating bezel. I say this because the Transocean Chronograph, like the Navitimer, does not have a screw-down crown -- yet, it has a WR of 100M. :)

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Moana43 wrote:
56scooter wrote:
The lack of a screw down crown is the prime reason for the lack of water resistance in the navitimer line versus that of the avenger series!


Just to offer a slightly different view -- I think that the prime reason for the lack of water resistance in the Navitimer line is due to the nature of the rotating bezel. I say this because the Transocean Chronograph, like the Navitimer, does not have a screw-down crown -- yet, it has a WR of 100M. :)

Correct. Navitimer has no need for a screw down crown due to lack of water resistance from other factors, predominantly the slip on bezel. WR is not limited by the absence of a screw down crown.


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way1 wrote:
Much obliged Roffensian and 56scooter for taking the time and trouble to respond so promptly - I thought there was something wrong and if so, wanted to take it back asap.

It's truly a nice looking watch, but personally I can't see where the money is, with the seawolf and avenger costing about half of the price - in fact I still may go for a refund - seriously thinking about it (lol)

Once again gentlemen, many thanks for your help.

Kind regards,
Wayne.


Wayne,
I think your value may be in the finer differences. Navitimer is the iconic Breitling watch to start. You also pay for the in house movement, which certainly adds quite a bit to the overall cost, along with other attributes perhaps the Seawolf or Avenger may not offer. Sometimes it just boils down to personal preference as well. Just my humble $.02.
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I would agree with you, DocJPO1980 - the additional cost would be in the attributes you mention. It was just difficult for me to see it when I first got the watch, but after thinking about it, I've decided to keep it anyway.
Thanks for the welcome.

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Moana43 wrote:
56scooter wrote:
The lack of a screw down crown is the prime reason for the lack of water resistance in the navitimer line versus that of the avenger series!


Just to offer a slightly different view -- I think that the prime reason for the lack of water resistance in the Navitimer line is due to the nature of the rotating bezel. I say this because the Transocean Chronograph, like the Navitimer, does not have a screw-down crown -- yet, it has a WR of 100M. :)

oh never thought of that, I wonder if it's possible to have at least 100m with a rotating bezel like that...iirc Sinn has 100m?


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No it is not possible. Sinn has a different rotating mechanism through the crown at 10 position, glass never moves, just bezel's inside.
It is very awkward to use so i prefer less WR but more usable Navitimer bezel. (had Sinn 903 and have Navitimer).



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Just to mix things up a little, here's my Chronospace, with internal rotating slide-rule scale, the same as the Navi'.
However, this watch is WR to 200mts, it does have a screw-down crown, but normal pump-pushers. So, it does intrigue me that the Navitimer, couldn't at least have a WR rating of at least 50mts.
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Just to add, the crystal is fixed on this watch & does not rotate when using slide-rule function.


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