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soba noodle
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:32 pm 
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Someone is selling a Navitimer 81610 (ref. B13019) here in New Zealand as a "Breitling Old Navitimer II, Generation XVI"

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Breitling Old Navitimer II, Generation XVI

This watch was purchased by me in Zurich on 5 September 1992

Totally authentic in pristine, hardly worn condition, complete with all documents and original boxes.

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Stainless steel and gold case

Blue (rare) leather strap

Screwed Crown

Breitling Ref 42.B1301912-G

Case No 19866


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They also quote someone form BS forum:

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Seller Comment: This is a quote from a Breitling expert with their details FYI. "It is an Old Navi II, but since I used Catalogue dates for the watches, the 1993 catalog actually shows watches that were released after the 92 catalog, so yours is an early Old Navi 2. Regards, Breitlingsource Admin BreitlingSource.com - The Ultimate Breitling Resource http://www.breitlingsource.com


Now, correct me if I am wrong, it is not an Old Navy II - which has different Ref. numbers, red tip and anchor B on a second hand, sapphire and was produced from 1993?

http://www.inside-usedom.de/info/uhrenneu/navitimer/on81610.html

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Original Old Navitimer for my money.
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Roffensian wrote:
Original Old Navitimer for my money.


No doubt it's original.

It's being sold as an Old Navy II, in fact it's not, just an Old Navy - am I right?

The seller refers to BS, wonder who made this statement then:

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Seller Comment: This is a quote from a Breitling expert with their details FYI. "It is an Old Navi II, but since I used Catalogue dates for the watches, the 1993 catalog actually shows watches that were released after the 92 catalog, so yours is an early Old Navi 2. Regards, Breitlingsource Admin BreitlingSource.com - The Ultimate Breitling Resource http://www.breitlingsource.com
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soba noodle wrote:
Roffensian wrote:
Original Old Navitimer for my money.


No doubt it's original.

It's being sold as an Old Navy II, in fact it's not, just an Old Navy - am I right?

The seller refers to BS, wonder who made this statement then:

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Seller Comment: This is a quote from a Breitling expert with their details FYI. "It is an Old Navi II, but since I used Catalogue dates for the watches, the 1993 catalog actually shows watches that were released after the 92 catalog, so yours is an early Old Navi 2. Regards, Breitlingsource Admin BreitlingSource.com - The Ultimate Breitling Resource http://www.breitlingsource.com



As I already said, yes it's an Old Navitimer.

In terms of who made the statement, well according to the quote - Admin.
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Roffensian wrote:

In terms of who made the statement, well according to the quote - Admin.


Pm'd breitlingsource a few days back - no reply :poke:
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soba noodle wrote:
Roffensian wrote:

In terms of who made the statement, well according to the quote - Admin.


Pm'd breitlingsource a few days back - no reply :poke:



I'm not his Dad.
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I'm not his Dad.


You'd have been a strict one :popo: :bow:

Thanks for your confirmation - that's exactly what I needed :lingsrock:
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I got a baby due in a couple weeks, I'm a groomsman for my buddy's wedding in a couple days, and we got a masterplan community condominium project that we are launching in a couple months - gimme a break! :mrgreen:

As I mentioned in the email, its a Old Navitimer I, not II. Answering emails quickly (I get lots) sometimes gets me in trouble. If I knew they were going to use my comments as "expert" and use them to flog their goods, I will not identify anything for anyone anymore. I don't want to take the liability for someone else trying to sell their own goods.

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Congrats on the upcoming baby and projects.
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I got a baby due in a couple weeks, I'm a groomsman for my buddy's wedding in a couple days, and we got a masterplan community condominium project that we are launching in a couple months - gimme a break! :mrgreen:

Well I don't think that's much of an excuse at all, Admin! :wink: :wink:

Many congrats on the impending Admin Jr! :thumbsup:

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Driver8 wrote:
breitlingsource wrote:
I got a baby due in a couple weeks, I'm a groomsman for my buddy's wedding in a couple days, and we got a masterplan community condominium project that we are launching in a couple months - gimme a break! :mrgreen:

Well I don't think that's much of an excuse at all, Admin! :wink: :wink:

Many congrats on the impending Admin Jr! :thumbsup:



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Any excuse these days - no work ethic among the young uns :wink:
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Watch Model number should be D for a gold bezel ?

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happy_chapie wrote:
Watch Model number should be D for a gold bezel ?

the A/B/D/K etc. prefix for steel/plated/steel-gold/gold came with the "new" model number system introduced in the mid 80s.

not sure regarding the 81610 automatic, but for the 81600 Lemania it was -1 for steel, -2 for plated, -3 for solid, but this was not inscribed on the watches as far as I have seen (can only say regarding steel and plated, have not seen a solid gold piece from this period).
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