There is only one adjuster.
Very different watch, but it looks like the dark piece of metal around the lowest jewel in this photo:
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| Author: | autolines [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Chrono Cockpit adjustment of +/- ? |
Hello forum, I have just registered & cant admit to being a follower until now. I do like the look of whats happening here & will be following in the future. I do have a question please. I have a 4 yr old bought from new Chrono Cockpit automatic. Beautifull pice of engineering which am proud of owning, however, it has always has a time keeping issue which i believe to be way outside the certified amount. I wear it from Friday evenings through to Mon morning none stop & the rest of the week it is kept tickng in a winder as i read its best to keep all moving. It looses 3-4 mins a week which means over 2 weeks i am almost 10mins behind thus i have to reset which makes the 3k tag not feel quite right. At twelve months old i had been back to the jewellers & asked if this was ok & was told this was exceptable so i battled on until it needed its first service (mainly due to Breitling not having a UK service dept & the possible 6 wk without watch) i made notes to accompany the watch & was excited to recieve it back. came back very slightly different from what t left, approx 1 min over a week better so say 3mins pr week slow. Should have sent it back but didnt & regret that. Anyhow i read that a good watch repairer could possibly do this adjustment ( without the pressure test but i dont submerse) & save my sending it away etc. I do know a good watch man but would like to take any information of which +/- & how much approx to adjust. I belive there are more than one adjuster in there so it would be good to take some pics & knowledable feedback if anybody has this it would be very much appreciated. many thanks, George |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chrono Cockpit adjustment of +/- ? |
I've deleted the duplicate thread. The watch is COSC certified so should be accurate to -4 / +6 seconds a day. If it's outside that then it can be adjusted using the regulator that shortens or lengthens the hairspring (to speed it up it needs shortening). A watchmaker can do that - they hook the watch up to a timing machine to find the exact error and then use the regulator to adjust. Depending on where the regulator currently is on your watch then it should be possible to adjust it enough to correct the timing. If there is not enough adjustment left on the regulator then the balance will need pulling and I wouldn't let a non Breitling certified watchmaker do that. |
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| Author: | autolines [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chrono Cockpit adjustment of +/- ? |
thankyou for taking the time to reply. I acknowledge your comments but if at all possible have you any photos of the adjusters etc as i belive there are 2 seperate ones? if anybody has previousley posted these can you point me to this information as i can print it & pass it along to my watch repair friend with my watch & avoid any issues he may have once he opens the back. regards, George |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chrono Cockpit adjustment of +/- ? |
There is only one adjuster. Very different watch, but it looks like the dark piece of metal around the lowest jewel in this photo:
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| Author: | BoneDoc [ Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chrono Cockpit adjustment of +/- ? |
Roff, you are ridiculously helpful!!!! 
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| Author: | Tim S [ Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:29 pm ] |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chrono Cockpit adjustment of +/- ? |
  I did hesitate - if the 'watch repair friend' needed a picture to identify a regulator then I may be thrown out of the ISPCB - the International Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Breitlings for facilitating him. 
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| Author: | autolines [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chrono Cockpit adjustment of +/- ? |
Thank you gents. it is that my repair friend is a jeweller in a Brietling stockist & when i asked him he mentioned that in the newer watches there are 2 adjusters??? so i thought before i gave him the go ahead i would gather as much info as possible. anyhow he has successfully adjusted it over this past week, i am from - 3-4 mins a week to about 10 secs slow a day, he wants me to wear it for the next 7 days & he will have one last tweek & hopefully all will be well. I did have it serviced in switzerland last year & they failed to get it any where near. i wrote all the times it was kept in the winder & when i wore it but it came back much the same. i did go back to the dealer who was very helpfull & said lets send it right back but lets be honest 6-7 weeks a time is a bit long winded, i had been without it for this time once & this is not the pleasure of ownership. It is time the UK had a service centre. I have considered part ex for another model but the only one in my range is the Avenger skyland or the super ocean but when i read the spec & prices for each new they both seem to be a lower model than my cockpit as there is some £600 difference for what on the surface looks a similar watch so i can only asume the cockpit is higher up the range? any comments would be appreciated because i may just be reading the data wrong. |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chrono Cockpit adjustment of +/- ? |
I'm sorry, buit why is it taking this guy so long to adjust the watch? He can only get it to 10 seconds in a week?????? Does he not have a timing machine (and if not are they authorised to work on watches)? I am not in UK, but I know a lot of watches have had their watches serviced by sending them to BUK, I assumed that there were actually some watchmakers in Tunbridge Wells, but locals will know better. In terms of Chrono Cockpit vs. Avenger (formerly Avenger Skyland), they are very different in terms of size and looks, and generally the Windrider range that the CC is in are considered to be higher end than the Aeromarine range that the Avenger is in. Major differences are related to the way the cases are made - which really only factors in if there is a need for replacement case parts. |
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| Author: | onewatchnut [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chrono Cockpit adjustment of +/- ? |
No balance will draw a straight line in all 6 positions, unless you are extremely fortunate. I usually adjust the timing for the most prevalent positions and tell the owner to wear it for a week or two to see how it does. With that information, I can almost always improve the overall timing. The performance on the bench will always differ from the performance on the wrist, winder or pocket. The data collected over two weeks or so give a pretty good average of the wearer's habits. The goal is to adjust the timing to achieve the best accuracy in the actual use environment. |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chrono Cockpit adjustment of +/- ? |
onewatchnut wrote: No balance will draw a straight line in all 6 positions, unless you are extremely fortunate. I usually adjust the timing for the most prevalent positions and tell the owner to wear it for a week or two to see how it does. With that information, I can almost always improve the overall timing. The performance on the bench will always differ from the performance on the wrist, winder or pocket. The data collected over two weeks or so give a pretty good average of the wearer's habits. The goal is to adjust the timing to achieve the best accuracy in the actual use environment. Absolutely agree with that Marty. Maybe I misread the thread, but I took it as after a week with the watchmaker it was accurate to 10 seconds, and then the owner was to come back again in a week. The second part makes perfect sense, the first part kinda lost me. Even I can regulate a watch in less than a week - and if the watch then never moves it's accurate
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| Author: | autolines [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chrono Cockpit adjustment of +/- ? |
hi again, maybe i didnt explain the timings well enough. my watch was loosing 3-4 mins a WEEK, it was returned to Switzerland for a service & notes on the time loss which had been an issue from new 2 years prior to service. on its return it was exactly the same. Sad after 6 weeks without my watch & didnt want to send it right back for another 6 weeks. I asked the jeweller at the shop who supplied me the watch, whome I know if he would have a go at getting it nearer, he has now got it to 10 secs over a week (just over 1 sec a day)which seems as good as its ever going to get even if i sent it back again. He did have it a week as he has not got the machine mentioned but gradually tweeked it to where it is now. Well done to him. He has said that it may change once i put it in the winder etc & thus asked me to check it over the next week. I agreed for him to open it as its now 3yrs old & out of warranty & to be honest Brietling didnt get it any where near to what he has done. I know i should have sent it right back but as someone mentioned it doesnt take 6 weeks to adjust even without this machine, so why do they need it for this long? exceptable amount would be 10 days i guess. |
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