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OsearyDrakoulias wrote:
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How would I setup the brookstore for my Datora. I just ordered one of these off ebay. :)


Same as the SA - it needs 800 per day clockwise.


Sounds great! So we would not use automatically on it? Just only Clockwise? My last question is.. would you possible have a picture showing it setup? It might be not figuring this right from my Chemo I'm on right now, so I just want to make sure I'm doing this right.

Thanks for all your help recently. I appreciate that a lot.

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I don't have that model so can't help there, sorry.

Setting the winder up to wind in both directions won't hurt the watch, but it will only be wound on the clockwise rotations, the anti-clockwise ones are 'wasted'.


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Roffensian wrote:
Setting the winder up to wind in both directions won't hurt the watch, but it will only be wound on the clockwise rotations, the anti-clockwise ones are 'wasted'.

Since the counter-clockwise rotations won't wind the watch will this help with not having long enough rest periods?

I don't know if that question makes sense, I'll try again. I'm not familiar with this winder, but if it can be set to turn clockwise for a period of time then rest then counter-clockwise for a period of time then rest and on and on would that help to keep the watch from being wound too much since it resting and turning counter-clockwise won't wind it?

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roman4405 wrote:
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Setting the winder up to wind in both directions won't hurt the watch, but it will only be wound on the clockwise rotations, the anti-clockwise ones are 'wasted'.

Since the counter-clockwise rotations won't wind the watch will this help with not having long enough rest periods?

I don't know if that question makes sense, I'll try again. I'm not familiar with this winder, but if it can be set to turn clockwise for a period of time then rest then counter-clockwise for a period of time then rest and on and on would that help to keep the watch from being wound too much since it resting and turning counter-clockwise won't wind it?


Kinda, sorta.

If the cycle is x minutes clockwise and then x minutes anti-clockwise then the effect on the mainspring barrel is similar to if it were at rest. Not sure whether the cycles would be enough to equate to a proper rest period though - I guess that depends on the individual program.

There will still tend to be some clockwise motion in an anti-clockwise cysle because the rotor will swing with gravity (hence why I said similar to at rest, not the same).


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Roffensian wrote:
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Setting the winder up to wind in both directions won't hurt the watch, but it will only be wound on the clockwise rotations, the anti-clockwise ones are 'wasted'.

Since the counter-clockwise rotations won't wind the watch will this help with not having long enough rest periods?

I don't know if that question makes sense, I'll try again. I'm not familiar with this winder, but if it can be set to turn clockwise for a period of time then rest then counter-clockwise for a period of time then rest and on and on would that help to keep the watch from being wound too much since it resting and turning counter-clockwise won't wind it?


Kinda, sorta.

If the cycle is x minutes clockwise and then x minutes anti-clockwise then the effect on the mainspring barrel is similar to if it were at rest. Not sure whether the cycles would be enough to equate to a proper rest period though - I guess that depends on the individual program.

There will still tend to be some clockwise motion in an anti-clockwise cysle because the rotor will swing with gravity (hence why I said similar to at rest, not the same).



Gotcha, thanks.

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On the Brookstone models its turns clockwise one time than counter the next. Alternating each times it rotates. FYI.

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Roffensian wrote:
roman4405 wrote:
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Setting the winder up to wind in both directions won't hurt the watch, but it will only be wound on the clockwise rotations, the anti-clockwise ones are 'wasted'.

Since the counter-clockwise rotations won't wind the watch will this help with not having long enough rest periods?

I don't know if that question makes sense, I'll try again. I'm not familiar with this winder, but if it can be set to turn clockwise for a period of time then rest then counter-clockwise for a period of time then rest and on and on would that help to keep the watch from being wound too much since it resting and turning counter-clockwise won't wind it?


Kinda, sorta.

If the cycle is x minutes clockwise and then x minutes anti-clockwise then the effect on the mainspring barrel is similar to if it were at rest. Not sure whether the cycles would be enough to equate to a proper rest period though - I guess that depends on the individual program.

There will still tend to be some clockwise motion in an anti-clockwise cysle because the rotor will swing with gravity (hence why I said similar to at rest, not the same).


Since, so I can understand this right. So basically setup clockwise at 800 tpd, and setup counter-clockwise at 800 tpd... Just to let them work together best?

I know you mentioned clockwise but is it better doing that automatic with clock+counter?

The only thing I can understand because it would seem more when you wear your watch all day when not in the winder?

Mostly, I won't be wearing my navitimer much while I'm sick for a while for a couple weeks.

Sorry if this is making difficult by me on this, I'm just understanding it since I finally bought one of these while my watch at breitling repairing it. :)

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Just set it up for 800 TPD clockwise.


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Roffensian wrote:
Just set it up for 800 TPD clockwise.


And just ignore counter? How does that work for? Is that maybe extra worn and and not needed?

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OsearyDrakoulias wrote:
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Just set it up for 800 TPD clockwise.


And just ignore counter? How does that work for? Is that maybe extra worn and and not needed?


If you set it up for both then you will need 1600 TPD to keep the watch wound - the counter clockwise movements aren't doing anything. 800 bi-directional is only giving the watch 400 winding turns.


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Roffensian wrote:
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Just set it up for 800 TPD clockwise.


And just ignore counter? How does that work for? Is that maybe extra worn and and not needed?


If you set it up for both then you will need 1600 TPD to keep the watch wound - the counter clockwise movements aren't doing anything. 800 bi-directional is only giving the watch 400 winding turns.


Ok so I understand. 400 each way. But is that setup better beside of 800 clockwise as you said. I'm trying figuring how each setup is better.

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800 clockwise is better.

The watch only winds clockwise, the rest would be 'wasted'.


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Roffensian wrote:
800 clockwise is better.

The watch only winds clockwise, the rest would be 'wasted'.


Excellent. I'll do that. Thanks! :)

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So I'll set it with 785 @ around 110 sec \ .97 to around 809 should be around tpd?

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OsearyDrakoulias wrote:
So I'll set it with 785 @ around 110 sec \ .97 to around 809 should be around tpd?


Sorry, I don't understand.

The bottom line is that the watch requires 800 TPD to remain fully wound, and it has to be clockwise.

If your winder has a setting for 785 then that's good enough - you have a 42 hour power reserve as well, so while a fully wound watch that requires 800 TPD will eventually run down if it only has 785 turns then it will take over three months, so not a practical problem.


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Roffensian wrote:
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So I'll set it with 785 @ around 110 sec \ .97 to around 809 should be around tpd?


Sorry, I don't understand.

The bottom line is that the watch requires 800 TPD to remain fully wound, and it has to be clockwise.

If your winder has a setting for 785 then that's good enough - you have a 42 hour power reserve as well, so while a fully wound watch that requires 800 TPD will eventually run down if it only has 785 turns then it will take over three months, so not a practical problem.


well, if I am wearing it for a couple days and put it back into the winder sometimes, it'll keep its 42 hour power reserve closer sooner? I definitely wont leave it in the winder for not even close to 3 months in there.

Thats strange though, in the brookstone it says adjusted to +/- 3% from a choice.. how would you even do that? seems weird. I dont understand that inside the booklet.

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