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WatchFred
 Post subject: Re: Is it possible ?
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54, of course; July to be precise

and I can’t really discuss the fact that you seem to generally mistrust the production ledgers ;)

will post examples of 1964 beadeds.
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WatchFred wrote:
here's an example - 100% fabricated, was using Venus 152s, the guys produced several & sold them approx. 1.5 years ago
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I think I must have blocked that one from my memory!


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Kurt B wrote:
Well - I have to say that I have not seen a single beaded 64’ 806 over the period of 20 years I have collected and studied Navitimers intense - regardless of Breitlings ledgers, so until I actually see one, they don’t exist in my book.

“Several” is more then 2, and I will be looking forward to the day you hopefully show me one, as that will be the day I accept that they exist.

I am curious to know what the ledgers say about the first Navitimers, 52’ or 54’... !!

I am not saying that I don’t have belief in Breitlings ledgers, as I will actually prefer to trust them, I just need proof to back it up.

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Kurt:
after checking the ledgers again, need to correct myself, the "806&809" batch is very late 1963, the February 1964 batch is 806 only. as said, have seen several over the years, don't own one personally.
this example was owned by a very close friend & forum member, now owned by another close friend and well-known watch journalist, have seen the watch in the metal several times.
Don't want to publish the serial of a friend's watch, can send you the number by pm if you have doubts.

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WatchFred wrote:
"fake" may be a bit harsh, let's call them "modified". quite a lot happened during service, neither watchmakers nor clients cared when a faded dial, a dirty insert or hands that had lost luminescence were replaced (and cared even less if the spare part was "period correct").

the sad thing is that this is still happening - daily and with all brands.....


I should have said « horribly unauthentic » 806 / 809, that are sometimes sold by sellers who claim themselves as experts in « courts of law » (at least in France).
I recently saw an 806 full black dial with mark 3 hands sold by a well-known seller / expert on his website (Romain Rea)...
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Romain Rea:
Maybe he knows that most pieces he offers are not completely correct but he never mentions those in the watch descriptions.
Pricewise he is far from reality ;)
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let's not talk about Romain Rea....
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+1 Fred


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WatchFred wrote:
Kurt B wrote:
Well - I have to say that I have not seen a single beaded 64’ 806 over the period of 20 years I have collected and studied Navitimers intense - regardless of Breitlings ledgers, so until I actually see one, they don’t exist in my book.

“Several” is more then 2, and I will be looking forward to the day you hopefully show me one, as that will be the day I accept that they exist.

I am curious to know what the ledgers say about the first Navitimers, 52’ or 54’... !!

I am not saying that I don’t have belief in Breitlings ledgers, as I will actually prefer to trust them, I just need proof to back it up.

Kurt B http://www.kurt-b.com


Kurt:
after checking the ledgers again, need to correct myself, the "806&809" batch is very late 1963, the February 1964 batch is 806 only. as said, have seen several over the years, don't own one personally.
this example was owned by a very close friend & forum member, now owned by another close friend and well-known watch journalist, have seen the watch in the metal several times.
Don't want to publish the serial of a friend's watch, can send you the number by pm if you have doubts.


Thank you very much Fred.

If you have seen the serial number, and it’s 64’, then that’s by far enough for me.

I love when things like this happens for me, hopefully it’s not the last time I’ll need to change “my book”, - or should I say, I’m sure it isn’t.

Kurt B http://www.kurt-b.com


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we are all learning every day, Kurt.
May have some interesting news to share soon, from a hugely surprising source ;)
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