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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:18 am 
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This is a 1977 806 that is for sale on eBay. The watch is very clean, so I suspect has been restored. What interests me is the bezel, which somehow looks different - almost like those you see on the Sinn Navitimer. Am I right, or is the bezel actually correct for this late time period in the 806's life cycle?

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I think its OK, but the watch has a replacement service dial and slide rule (and probably hands) which is why it looks so clean. Id never though if it before , but your getting close in date to the wind down time of Breitling and the sale of stock to Sinn and O&W, so I guess this final bezel shape is what Sinn would have inherited?



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are you sure re the 1977 production date?
would be unexpected


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WatchFred wrote:
are you sure re the 1977 production date?
would be unexpected


Serial Number is quoted as "1448XXX", which according to the accepted serial number table puts it at late-1977 or 1978

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the serial table is - in general - quite correct, but it has been almost 8 years since I posted it here, shocking how time flies.

recent research shows some discrepancies, especially in the last production years.

no Navitimer were manufactured in 1977 according to the production records, 1.448xxx was produced in October 1990.



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WatchFred wrote:
the serial table is - in general - quite correct, but it has been almost 8 years since I posted it here, shocking how time flies.

recent research shows some discrepancies, especially in the last production years.

no Navitimer were manufactured in 1977 according to the production records, 1.448xxx was produced in October 1990.


I have asked the seller for clarification, but 1990 for an 806 would be quite odd. Perhaps an error was made in the sale listing.


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no, a batch of 200 Navitimer 806 was manufactured in 1990. not a seller claim, but a production ledger entry; yes, it is odd, but a fact.



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no, a batch of 200 Navitimer 806 was manufactured in 1990. not a seller claim, but a production ledger entry; yes, it is odd, but a fact.


Wow, I did not know that. Were they for a particular occasion or marketplace? This one is from Japan, where they seem to get all sorts of special projects.


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WatchFred wrote:
...a batch of 200 Navitimer 806 was manufactured in 1990.


Could then be one of that batch based on this picture. I wonder then if they were built with service dials and hands, so these are actually original to that watch?

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yes, that's my assumption that these dials and hands are original to that batch of watches.
there is no other information we have found about that production batch, the current Breitling Japan was founded some years after these were produced and also have no records about them there, just as there are no catalogs or advertisements. odd, as said ;)



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WatchFred wrote:
yes, that's my assumption that these dials and hands are original to that batch of watches.
there is no other information we have found about that production batch, the current Breitling Japan was founded some years after these were produced and also have no records about them there, just as there are no catalogs or advertisements. odd, as said ;)


Fascinating. Thank you very much for that information.



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Given the late serial number of this watch and the Reference 806E designation, I would have thought it contained a Valjoux 7736? This one, however, contains a Venus 178. Have I misunderstood what the 806E designation means with respect to the movement, or is it possible that this "last" batch of Navitimer 806s built in 1990 also had "leftover" 178 movements installed? These are photos recently added by the seller to the listing:

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Interestingly, in an article on watchuseek back in 2006, there was a questions asked about 806s with serial numbers after 1448473, which reportedly [at the time] was "the last serial number used before all manufacturing ended in 1978".

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well, there is little I can add besides the bare facts; all my efforts to trace those watches to a specific project or market have failed up to now; the fact that Japan issued several documented "Japan Only" Navitimer editions in the later 1990s and 2000s makes that theory logical, but not one iota of proof to be found (yet, we keep searching).

on October 10, 1990, a batch of 200 Navitimer 806 in steel was noted in the production ledgers, "caliber" was entered as Venus 178

as these are physical ledgers with manually numbered pages, there seems to be no possibility of an error here w/ the production date.

also noteworthy that this batch was produced by a different case manufacturer, one that had never worked on Navitimer cases before, may explain the differences that started this thread ;)



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