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Vintage Superocean?
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Author:  ehimmel [ Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Vintage Superocean?
I'm not a Breitling collector, but I saw a chrono in a New York store today that I fell in love with. The salesman told me that it was an early iteration of the Superocean. The dial looks a lot like the one on Ref. 2005. It has no subdials, just the aperture where a white dot appears when the chrono is engaged and the second hand starts. However, unlike the 2005, this watch has an all-black dial with no white outer ring and no rotating bezel--it's just a simple black dial in a simple stainless case. Can anyone identify this watch? Many thanks.
Author:  Roffensian [ Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Vintage Superocean?
ehimmel wrote:
I'm not a Breitling collector, but I saw a chrono in a New York store today that I fell in love with. The salesman told me that it was an early iteration of the Superocean. The dial looks a lot like the one on Ref. 2005. It has no subdials, just the aperture where a white dot appears when the chrono is engaged and the second hand starts. However, unlike the 2005, this watch has an all-black dial with no white outer ring and no rotating bezel--it's just a simple black dial in a simple stainless case. Can anyone identify this watch? Many thanks.


There are a few simpler early SuperOceans and TransOceans - the 2005 is a fairly busy watch. Were the hands as big and chunky as on the 2005?

Not sure I understand your comment on the chrono - if it doesn't have any subs is it even a chrono (i.e. does it have pushers). If so, where is the non chrono second hand and is it only a 60 second chrono - that doesn't make much sense.

Where on the dial is the white dot?

This sounds bizarre, pictures would really help!
Author:  Roffensian [ Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:39 pm ]
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I think I may have figured it out

I'm no expert on diver's watches so did some research. The dot is a luminous dot at 6 o'clock designed to show the status of the chrono functions underwater. The chrono operates a minute totaliser that is a second central minute hand.

I learn something new every day!!

If I had to guess on a model number I would go for the 2205.
Author:  ehimmel [ Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Vintage Superocean?
Thanks so much! I'm going to try to stop by the shop tomorrow and take some photos of the watch.
Author:  ehimmel [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:07 am ]
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Image

Here it is (sorry it's not sharper). The store's watchmaker wasn't in over the holiday weekend, so they couldn't take the back off to see the ref. number. It's a strange watch: the top chrono button starts and stops the center second hand and the bottom on returns it to 0. When the chrono is engaged, the aperture above the 6 is filled with a large white dot. When the chrono is stopped, it switches to a small white dot. When the second hand is returned to 0, the aperture is black again. It looks more like a Blancpain dial than a Breitling dial. Diameter is 38mm and it's chunky. If this is ref. 2205, I'd love to know. Thanks, Eric
Author:  Roffensian [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:33 am ]
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I'll go back to the books on the weekend. Initial reaction is that the hands don't look original for a SuperOcean, but I'll dig further.
Author:  bnewbie [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:43 pm ]
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To me, case also doesn't look SO.
Author:  Roffensian [ Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:56 am ]
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I'm not sure about the case. It does look different to most early superoceans, but that might well be because of the lack of a big bezel - remove the bezel from a 2005 and you might well find the same case.

The hands really don't look right for a diver's watch - but they could be an early one. The reason I was leaning towards 2205 is a slightly false one - it's the one documented superocean with this layout that I can't find pictures of. This could be the dial from a 2005 in a different case, but it could also be in perfect condition.

Bottom line is I really can't find enough info to say whether it's perfect or a frankenwatch. I would like model number and serial number, and I really would like to find some documented evidence to support this look, without that I would be wary.

I also never buy a watch without seeing the movement, but the fact that the luminous dot chrono indicator works is some indication that at least something in the movement is correct :lol:
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