seems we have buried the 1953 Navitimers and put flowers on its grave
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| Author: | herbert50 [ Wed May 13, 2015 11:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
Is this AOPA Navitimer 806 correct? Serial number 825646 from 1953, movement Venus 178 with WOG, dial, hands and bezel. Price ca. 3.000.- EURO. http://r.ebay.com/HOA2AT Thank you Herbert |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Wed May 13, 2015 12:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
yes, its all correct for a misstamped 1960ies piece (the first 8 should have actually been a 9, known misstamping) but overall the condition seems 'less than perfect' ? but I assume the price reflects that |
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| Author: | herbert50 [ Wed May 13, 2015 11:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
I think it is this watch from ebay 2012, serial number in back case 825646 seems correct for me. http://r.ebay.com/4nkzr9 Herbert |
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| Author: | Chris K [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
Dracha wrote: yes, its all correct for a misstamped 1960ies piece (the first 8 should have actually been a 9, known misstamping) but overall the condition seems 'less than perfect' ? but I assume the price reflects that This fairy tale about misstamped serial numbers starting with 8 etc. etc. has already been buried years ago. You yourself put flowers on the grave ===> viewtopic.php?f=11&t=34271 Regards Chris |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
Chris K wrote: This fairy tale about misstamped serial numbers starting with 8 etc. etc. has already been buried years ago. You yourself put flowers on the grave ===> viewtopic.php?f=11&t=34271 Regards Chris Chris ? I dont believe the misstamping is a 'fairy tale' ? , I actually believe that those are watches from the 1960ies based on all the evidence that has been gathered over the years , and not just by me ? - bead count points to 1960ies - WOG points to post 1956/57 - letter admitted there were misstamped pieces (not sure how much credibility Breitling has when it comes to vintage , but still , its there) my old post that you linked to, a lot of happened since then , and a lot of counting took place here's my conclusion : http://breitlingsource.com/phpBB2/viewt ... 11&t=36494 |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
would be interested to hear your theory about these pieces, Chris ? time warp ? - a watch that has ALL the specifics of all other late50s/early60s 806 was produced in 1952/53, then it took them 7 years to get back to that trial run design again ? remember they are stamped WOG and have the reference number missing from the other known very early R72s that were produced two years later ? nah. so interested to hear your thoughts. both trademark registration and AOPA confirm a '54 launch btw. |
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| Author: | Kurt B [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
Dracha wrote: yes, its all correct for a misstamped 1960ies piece (the first 8 should have actually been a 9, known misstamping) but overall the condition seems 'less than perfect' ? but I assume the price reflects that you can read about them here http://kurt-b.com/the-non-existing-1953 ... navitimers / Kurt B http://www.kurt-b.com |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
seems we have buried the 1953 Navitimers and put flowers on its grave
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
the watch.insider has even edited his blurb about the new AOPAmination and now added the "doubts about the 1952 launch..... we just need a bit of patience. |
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| Author: | Chris K [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
WatchFred wrote: would be interested to hear your theory about these pieces, Chris ? time warp ? - a watch that has ALL the specifics of all other late50s/early60s 806 was produced in 1952/53, then it took them 7 years to get back to that trial run design again ? remember they are stamped WOG and have the reference number missing from the other known very early R72s that were produced two years later ? nah. so interested to hear your thoughts. both trademark registration and AOPA confirm a '54 launch btw. Dracha, Watchfred, sorry guys, I seem to stand on the hose, can't see your problem. Dracha's 'counting beads' confirmed Kurt's statement that the number of beads is decreasing the younger the watch. BOW = old, WOG = younger. Common knowledge. Breitling letter didn't "admit(ted) there were misstamped pieces" but confirmed that 1958 Nav's can also have back covers of 1953. Regards Chris K (not Chris ?) |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
Chris K (not Chris?) - then your statement in your previous post becomes even more confusing. but we all seem to agree, the rest seems lost in translation. |
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| Author: | Chris K [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
Dracha wrote: Chris K wrote: - letter admitted there were misstamped pieces (not sure how much credibility Breitling has when it comes to vintage , but still , its there) Dracha, before I sent in 2010 my letter/questions to Breitling, there were some telephone conversations. As result Breitling suggested to ask (and most probably also to pay) one of the former employees (of original Breitling !) to review what was left of the old files and to find/give answers to my questions. Their answer was more than I could expect. However, you are free to try yourself. Chris |
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| Author: | Chris K [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
WatchFred wrote: Chris K (not Chris?) - then your statement in your previous post becomes even more confusing. but we all seem to agree, the rest seems lost in translation. ... and I was sure Vienna is considered to be a German speaking area .... Chris |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
well, I thought you were writing in English ? That might explain it. |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All correct Navitimer 806 1. generatio? |
Chris K wrote: Dracha, before I sent in 2010 my letter/questions to Breitling, there were some telephone conversations. As result Breitling suggested to ask (and most probably also to pay) one of the former employees (of original Breitling !) to review what was left of the old files and to find/give answers to my questions. Their answer was more than I could expect. However, you are free to try yourself. Chris I can try that , do you have any names of people you talked to at Breitling or names of people from the original company ? I am sure willing to spend some money to fly down there , meet with them and ask them many questions Rgds Rene |
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