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| Author: | rick [ Tue May 12, 2015 3:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Mervos Breitling |
1945 Mervos Breitling Ref 760    Mervos is a name linked with Breitling. Some of the Mervos watches had the Breitling name on the movement and sometimes on the dial but are very rare. Breitling produced these watches for Mervos as with Breitling Wakmann. |
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| Author: | rick [ Tue May 12, 2015 4:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
Thanks Rene |
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| Author: | saabreit [ Tue May 12, 2015 7:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
Not so sure that the scheme what identical for Mervos and Wakmann. This watch caseback is stamped with Breitling type and SN . On certain domestic markets where Breitling was not allowed to sell under its own brand , they were using alternative name . 2 years ago I got a Chronomat 769 from a turkish seller , one of the earliest Chronomat 769 I ever saw , SN 484xxx ... absolutely correct in all parts except dial branded Singer . My guess is that Mervos was in the same commercial scheme . |
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| Author: | vintage [ Tue May 12, 2015 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
You have to remember that Breitling didn't exclusively use this serial number & reference number style. Many other manufacturers with no ties to Breitling used the same numbering system. I've seen many different examples over the years including Mervos, Welsbro, Harman, and others. They either all bought from the same supplier or perhaps this was excess Breitling stock and bought from them but I think most likely the former. I have a couple of problems with this Mervos/Breitling. Firstly, it was sold in Uruguay where I have never seen an authentic vintage Breitling sold. Secondly, it's double stamped Breitling & Mervos on the bridge. This would have been highly unlikely unless the dial was also double branded. Thirdly, Uruguay has a couple of places that do very good work with dial modifications and restorations so you have to be 100% sure that what you're looking at is genuine. Not to mention the number of fakes that originate there. The seller of the Mervos/Breitling also has a couple of auctions for other similarly cased watches with the same serial number/reference number styles which would give me pause in buying from him. Some of these pieces are too easy to turn into whatever you want them to be. http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CRACO-PRIMA-CHRONOGRAPH-35MM-REF-760-BREITLING-CIRCA-40-/271847474880?_trksid=p2054897.l4275 http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CRACO-VENUS-CHRONOGRAPH-37MM-REF-179-BREITLING-CIRCA-30-40-/281679538511?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item419568a94f |
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| Author: | rick [ Tue May 12, 2015 10:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
Paul here is another Mervos Breitling sold in the past [prior to 2007] by Farfo's Vintage watches.Check the dial and the dual bridge case markings. Also notice that the inside back cover of both the Farfo's Mervos Breitling and mine are engraved Breitling with Mervos under it. And can you explain why some one would take a correct Breitling case movement and #'s for a ref 760 and fake a lower caliber watch in comparison to Breitling when they could easily fabricate a redialed Breitling ref 760 which would demand a more premium price. Notice both watches use the same lettering print for Mervos on the dial. Paul this was quoted by you in 2007 on BS " I think the Mervos Breitling connection was likely like the later Wakmann Breitling connection in that there was some sort of agreement where Breitling made watches for the other. " You also refered to the Farfo Mervos-Breiting in your discussion. It seems you are basing all you assumptions on the fact that the seller is from Uruguay. http://www.farfo.com/menswatches/Page3/ ... ervos.html . viewtopic.php?t=367 Unless someone can prove otherwise I believe my Mervos-Breitling is original and correct. |
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| Author: | vintage [ Tue May 12, 2015 1:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
rick wrote: Paul here is another Mervos Breitling sold in the past [prior to 2007] by Farfo's Vintage watches.Check the dial and the dual bridge case markings. Also notice that the inside back cover of both the Farfo's Mervos Breitling and mine are engraved Breitling with Mervos under it. And can you explain why some one would take a correct Breitling case movement and #'s for a ref 760 and fake a lower caliber watch in comparison to Breitling when they could easily fabricate a redialed Breitling ref 760 which would demand a more premium price. Notice both watches use the same lettering print for Mervos on the dial. Paul this was quoted by you in 2007 on BS " I think the Mervos Breitling connection was likely like the later Wakmann Breitling connection in that there was some sort of agreement where Breitling made watches for the other. " You also refered to the Farfo Mervos-Breiting in your discussion. It seems you are basing all you assumptions on the fact that the seller is from Uruguay. http://www.farfo.com/menswatches/Page3/ ... ervos.html . viewtopic.php?t=367 Unless someone can prove otherwise I believe my Mervos-Breitling is original and correct. I think you missed the point. I wasn't saying there was any such thing as a Breitling-Mervos I'm just saying I don't think your watch is one of them. Remember it's an internet world and anyone can see what they perceive as a rare watch and then set about to create something they try to pass off as genuine. Everyone knows what's a genuine Breitling so when you throw Mervos into the mix it becomes a little less clear, therefore easier to move. On the watch you have I don't like the fact that the Mervos on the dial isn't centered, the Mervos-Breitling on the inside of the back cover looks haphazardly etched as in an after thought, and the movements bridge script looks so fresh. I've seen plenty of modified dials out of Uruguay where the lettering (brand name) is redone and the rest of the dial is original. No idea what you're talking about with the "And can you explain why some one would take a correct Breitling case movement and #'s for a ref 760 and fake a lower caliber watch in comparison to Breitling when they could easily fabricate a redialed Breitling ref 760 which would demand a more premium price. Notice both watches use the same lettering print for Mervos on the dial." Nobody is taking a Breitling anything and altering it. Look at the other two example he is selling that I linked to. They never started life as a Breitling but they could easily be transformed into a Breitling-Mervos by someone with the skills. "It seems you are basing all you assumptions on the fact that the seller is from Uruguay." Pretty much. I've been doing this for about 17 years and haven't seen an authentic vintage Breitling come out of Uruguay yet that I would buy. As a last note, all the other Breitling-Mervos variations I have seen have been three register movements not two and I think that pertains to the other brands like Tourneau and Singer. All three register watches during this time period. I think Breitling only offered this on their higher priced lines. |
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| Author: | saabreit [ Tue May 12, 2015 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
[/quote] ... On the watch you have I don't like the fact that the Mervos on the dial isn't centered, the Mervos-Breitling on the inside of the back cover looks haphazardly etched as in an after thought, and the movements bridge script looks so fresh. I've seen plenty of modified dials out of Uruguay where the lettering (brand name) is redone and the rest of the dial is original. ... As a last note, all the other Breitling-Mervos variations I have seen have been three register movements not two and I think that pertains to the other brands like Tourneau and Singer. All three register watches during this time period. I think Breitling only offered this on their higher priced lines.[/quote] +1 on the fresh Breitling -Mervos engraving on the caseback ! +1 on the straight and "too clean to be original" engraving of the chrono bridge . Concerning theory of Singer branding only on three register watches , NOK for my Chronomat 769 ... OK for the second Singer I have seen , it was a 734 . I shall try to find back the explanation of the turkish watch dealer on Singer . |
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| Author: | rick [ Wed May 13, 2015 2:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
Paul I think you are taking this all to personally. It looks to me that all your evidence is circumstancial. You are on a vendetta to prove you are right. Maybe you are or maybe you aren't. You haven't convinced me. I love the watch and truly believe it is original. And by the way Mervos is centered on the dial. You have to take into account the angulation of the photo with the chrono hand above the dial. Enough Said!! Best Rick |
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| Author: | vintage [ Wed May 13, 2015 10:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
Not taking it personally it's just that this seller sells way too many with Breitling style serial number and reference numbers. Seems way to unusual to me that he has this many. He just listed another and if you look on this one you can see below the serial number where it has other numbers. I'm surprised it's not listed as a LeFranc-Breitling along with a supporting story.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-LEFRANC-VENUS-CHRONOGRAPH-JUMBO-38MM-REF-781-BREITLING-CIRCA-50-/271869116745?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4ca98149 |
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| Author: | rick [ Wed May 13, 2015 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
He does list the both serial #'s in his description. I have seen vintage breitlings with dual serial #'s. Maybe that is the way the cases were made! |
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| Author: | rick [ Wed May 13, 2015 12:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
Paul Overall this has been a fun debate. I am not sure whether there will ever be a true winner. As always, Best, Rick 
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Wed May 13, 2015 12:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
Rick, as. i told you when we discussed this Mervo, might be correct or not, no way to prove it - so there will always be doubts about it. but it's a nice watch you bought at a very reasonable price - enjoy it and wear it in health ! |
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| Author: | rick [ Thu May 14, 2015 2:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mervos Breitling |
Thanks Fred As a matter of fact I bought it at almost half of what he was offering it at. AND IT IS A REAL BEAUTIFUL WATCH!!! 
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