need to correct myself re "caseback marking looked correct" on that ebay piece, caseback is marked "806", so for a Navitimer.
documenting some pics of that ebay Cossie & the strange bezel:
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| Author: | First809 [ Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
Hi guys. My first time posting. I have a question for Breitling experts: does an 18K version of Ref. 809 Cosmonaute exist? If so, can anyone show me a photo? Thanks in advance. |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
I dont recall ever having seen one |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
yes, you do, Rene - a 1970s piece was recently listed and we diacussed it, strange bezel, you thought the lug form was looking strange due to lens distortion, I remained surprised. caseback marking looked correct. |
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| Author: | First809 [ Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
Dracha wrote: I dont recall ever having seen one Does that mean it doesn't exist? So is this a fake? |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
this is a different watch to the one I discussed with Rene - more pics, please; this seems to be be a much earlier pieces, most probably 1964-66, bezel looks correct in this view, lugs in line w/ my expectations for an 18k from that period. here is the one we discussed, several strange issues w/ this one: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/BREITLING-COSMON ... 3cf71cf631 @OP: no reason to believe there were no 18k Cosmonautes, just that there have been no documented pieces until now; as it does not appear in a catalog (no mention too, as far as I remember) and the "New Breitling" has no relevant production records, we need correct pieces pictured and analysed, so, as requested above, please do post more pics, including a side view of the bezel and caseback. |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
WatchFred wrote: yes, you do, Rene - a 1970s piece was recently listed and we diacussed it, strange bezel, you thought the lug form was looking strange due to lens distortion, I remained surprised. caseback marking looked correct. That was a Cosmo ? , bad memory on a monday morning , apologies First809 wrote: Does that mean it doesn't exist? So is this a fake? that actually looks quite genuine ! looks nice to but would love to see more pictures (in/outside) to make absolutely sure |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
need to correct myself re "caseback marking looked correct" on that ebay piece, caseback is marked "806", so for a Navitimer. documenting some pics of that ebay Cossie & the strange bezel:
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| Author: | First809 [ Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
WatchFred wrote: this is a different watch to the one I discussed with Rene - more pics, please; this seems to be be a much earlier pieces, most probably 1964-66, bezel looks correct in this view, lugs in line w/ my expectations for an 18k from that period. here is the one we discussed, several strange issues w/ this one: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/BREITLING-COSMON ... 3cf71cf631 @OP: no reason to believe there were no 18k Cosmonautes, just that there have been no documented pieces until now; as it does not appear in a catalog (no mention too, as far as I remember) and the "New Breitling" has no relevant production records, we need correct pieces pictured and analysed, so, as requested above, please do post more pics, including a side view of the bezel and caseback. Here you go: |
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| Author: | First809 [ Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
WatchFred wrote: this is a different watch to the one I discussed with Rene - more pics, please; this seems to be be a much earlier pieces, most probably 1964-66, bezel looks correct in this view, lugs in line w/ my expectations for an 18k from that period. here is the one we discussed, several strange issues w/ this one: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/BREITLING-COSMON ... 3cf71cf631 @OP: no reason to believe there were no 18k Cosmonautes, just that there have been no documented pieces until now; as it does not appear in a catalog (no mention too, as far as I remember) and the "New Breitling" has no relevant production records, we need correct pieces pictured and analysed, so, as requested above, please do post more pics, including a side view of the bezel and caseback. The watch looks correct to me but the back is stamped 806, which is a Ref. for regular navitimer. Should be 809. But perhaps Breitling put a Cosmonaute movement and dial into a gold 806 case. Isn't it possible? |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
what is the serial number ? pics are really small so I cant read it |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
First809 wrote: WatchFred wrote: this is a different watch to the one I discussed with Rene - more pics, please; this seems to be be a much earlier pieces, most probably 1964-66, bezel looks correct in this view, lugs in line w/ my expectations for an 18k from that period. here is the one we discussed, several strange issues w/ this one: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/BREITLING-COSMON ... 3cf71cf631 @OP: no reason to believe there were no 18k Cosmonautes, just that there have been no documented pieces until now; as it does not appear in a catalog (no mention too, as far as I remember) and the "New Breitling" has no relevant production records, we need correct pieces pictured and analysed, so, as requested above, please do post more pics, including a side view of the bezel and caseback. The watch looks correct to me but the back is stamped 806, which is a Ref. for regular navitimer. Should be 809. But perhaps Breitling put a Cosmonaute movement and dial into a gold 806 case. Isn't it possible? noted above in my "correction". possible: yes, but it would still be incorrect |
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| Author: | 806er [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
i would believe, that the case should be marked 809. The only document i can show is  regards Stephan |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
First809: do you know the serial number ? I have an 18K gold 806 with the exact same case , just want to see how close together they are and I believe consensus is that if it is a Csomonaute it always has 809 on the back . If it doesnt something is incorrect |
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| Author: | First809 [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
Dracha wrote: First809: do you know the serial number ? I have an 18K gold 806 with the exact same case , just want to see how close together they are and I believe consensus is that if it is a Csomonaute it always has 809 on the back . If it doesnt something is incorrect The serial numbers are a few digits apart, so I assume it is original but was born a Navitimer not a Cosmonaute. So somebody swithced movement and dial I assume. |
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| Author: | davedc74 [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there an 18K Ref. 809? |
Stupid question - how late did cases with male springbar pins (for female springbars) go? I had mistakenly thought those ended long before this case was made.... David |
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