I'm aware of this discussion, William - Jeff's comment is quite correct, he's been well informed
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| Author: | SirWilliam [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
Thought I would bring this to your attention as I am sure the forum would like to hear input. Fred I know you have visited so maybe stop by again. http://www.chronocentric.com/forums/chr ... d;id=39318 |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
I'm aware of this discussion, William - Jeff's comment is quite correct, he's been well informed
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| Author: | 806er [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
this would be a extremly high degree philosophical discussion. I don't understand the intention to straddle in the "FS-offer" in that way it happened, but this is not my problem. This is a original 806 with unsigned AOPA-Logo. Wich wording is 100% correct for this watch it can be discussed (and there will be a lot of different entrys to do this) , but i think it is legitimate to rank the offered watch in the category "AOPA". regards Stephan |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
no, it is not. Jeff is precisely correct, AOPA Navitimers had no Breitling logo on the dial and the correct "AOPA"-wings including the letters. non-AOPA pieces that were distributed through the Breitling dealer network had wings with an empty shield and several variations of Breitling logos on the dial. this is how you differentiate them. so calling a watch that clearly is from the non-AOPA distribution "the real AOPA" is incorrect and misleading, though the non-AOPA are much rarer, btw. must admit I'm quite surprised we even have to discuss this here. |
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| Author: | 806er [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
i agree with you in relation to the wording "the real AOPA", but to use the category "AOPA" for this watch, should not be a problem. Ia am surprised, that you are surprised to have discuss things like this here. Specially in this blog, there are no real discussions, because there are some people, they do anything to built and protect opinions, that they demonstrate as the only 100% fact. In knowledge about that, members here don't feel free to discuss (and they also are afraid to loose someone, who can be helpful), so the best way to act here is to say "Ja und Amen" regards Stephan P.S. also i never await "likes" for my posts (in answers or by buttom) |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
well, I'd love to discuss this if you would offer a point I could understand ? I have listed the differences between AOPA and non-AOPA above, but you claim you could still call it an AOPA. care to explain why, please ? I love to learn if relevant points are raised and rather doubt members "do not feel free" here to discuss issues, you make it sound like TheNorthKoreaWatchForum, quite absurd, really. |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
I prefer to think that this forum protects the less educated from the deliberately uneducated and misinformed....... |
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| Author: | 806er [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
i wrote about to rank in a category "AOPA" and therefore existes a lot of reasons - only one is the AOPA-Logo. that you put me in the category "missinformed" i have no problem with, but it is perhabs your own missinformation, that with this step you put the opinion/wording from a person with high reputation and knowledge - Kurt Boendrum - in this same category and i am sure, that a lot of uneducated and even well educated people use the wording "AOPA Navitimer", "AOPA Cosmonaute" ... also for 806 with unsigned AOPA-logo. btw - the Heuer boys uses a much more incorrect wording- in any case they think it is a good promotional wording for there watches. regards Stephan |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
806er wrote: a person with high reputation and knowledge - Kurt Boendrum - in this same category without dragging Kurt in here , I believe Kurt's saying the exact same thing as Fred ? "Dial with cursive 'B' and no AOPA markings : Likely to be sold directly by Breitling and outside the USA where contractual limitation with AOPA and Wakmann existed" ? and 'outside USA' automatically means 'not through AOPA' which to me personally means that this is not an AOPA watch ? http://kurt-b.com/wp-content/uploads/20 ... e-JPEG.jpg |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
need a shrugging icon, don't understand the point you are making, Stephan. so a non-AOPA watch is "AOPA category", due to "a lot of reasons" ? ehhmm ... which ? |
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| Author: | 806er [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
"...automatically means..." is a interpretation, conclusion (not from Kurt) also he uses the wording "AOPA-Exlusive" in the link above. his wording, i wrote about, you find here (and he wrote this and it is not a interpretation from me). http://vintageure.dk/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=109 regards Stephan |
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| Author: | 806er [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
WatchFred wrote: need a shrugging icon, don't understand the point you are making, Stephan. so a non-AOPA watch is "AOPA category", due to "a lot of reasons" ? ehhmm ... which ? you don't use my words correct. i wrote about, that a watch with unsigned AOPA-logo can be ranked in a categoty "AOPA" in my opinion and this is what Kurt also did (everyone can check the link) Stephan |
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| Author: | Dracha [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
806er wrote: "...automatically means..." is a interpretation, conclusion (not from Kurt) I would like to disagree , as AOPA is an exclusive United States 'club' for US pilots , anything sold outside the USA is not sold through AOPA (only AOPA members could order according to their own advertisements) hence the 'automatic' as it is seems logical to reason that 'outside USA' means 'not through AOPA' as there is no 'AOPA' outside the US of A ? maybe semantics or misunderstanding due to language differences |
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| Author: | vintage [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
It's not an AOPA unless it says AOPA on the dial. Pretty hard to get that wrong. |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AOPA Discussion on Chronotrader |
eh, semantics .... |
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