Hello,
I am new to this forum and at the moment I am looking for a Navitimer 7806. Just have my first question concerning the following piece.
What do the experts think about this one?
Many thanks and regards
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| Author: | ID50 [ Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
Hello, I am new to this forum and at the moment I am looking for a Navitimer 7806. Just have my first question concerning the following piece. What do the experts think about this one? Many thanks and regards
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| Author: | vintage [ Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
Other than the probable wrong crystal (looks a bit tall), the rest looks fine although the 60 minute sub register hand might be a replacement. If you're considering purchase you might want to make sure you see a picture of all of the sub register hands and sweep hand pointing straight up to make sure they return to the start position correctly. Movement pic is a plus too since these aren't cheap purchases. |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
yes, the hour register hands is a replacement, as Paul says; but watch is basically correct. |
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| Author: | 806er [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
mistakes in both answers, because a 7806 has no 60 minutes register. this is the permanent second at position 6 and for this reason also not all sub register hands will be in a straight up position, after using the reset function. hand at position 6 is wrong. original has totaly different design (no swort - more than a spearhead) hand at position 9 should be the more width swort hand hand at the position 3 should be the smaller swort hand all should have the same lenghts regards Stephan |
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| Author: | saabreit [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
806er wrote: mistakes in both answers, because a 7806 has no 60 minutes register. this is the permanent second at position 6 and for this reason also not all sub register hands will be in a straight up position, after using the reset function. hand at position 6 is wrong. original has totaly different design (no swort - more than a spearhead) hand at position 9 should be the more width swort hand hand at the position 3 should be the smaller swort hand all should have the same lenghts regards Stephan  seriously ... subdial at 6 is a small second , not a 60 minutes register ! 3 versions of the 7740 have been used by Breitling on Navis : a 3 register version in the 7806 with date at 4 , and a 2 register version in the 7806 S with date at 6 . Most of the 7806 use a specific small second hand , but nobody can assess that it was 100% of the production . SN 1431519 hardly readable on the pic would date this piece as produced in 1974 , on those late productions from the black period of Breitling you find what they had in stock ... Basically , the watch looks authentic and aftermarket subdial hands are not a major concern . A pic of the 7740 would be important to check the complete conformity of the 7740 , especialy the ref 8500 chrono bridge . |
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| Author: | vintage [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
saabreit wrote: "but nobody can assess that it was 100% of the production ."  Unfortunately you can say that about almost every vintage Breitling ever made.
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| Author: | wills0_9 [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
806er wrote: mistakes in both answers, because a 7806 has no 60 minutes register. this is the permanent second at position 6 and for this reason also not all sub register hands will be in a straight up position, after using the reset function. hand at position 6 is wrong. original has totaly different design (no swort - more than a spearhead) hand at position 9 should be the more width swort hand hand at the position 3 should be the smaller swort hand all should have the same lenghts regards Stephan Stephan, Is this what you refer too when you say 'spearhead' for the seconds hand? (Image from Google). It would appear to be most common for 7806's, but occasionally seen used in different configuration, particularly for the minute counter. Also I have seen (Google again!) as many with sub hand at 3 being the wider of the two (minute and hour) chronograph hands. Difficult to say which is correct?!? As has been mentioned, do we think Breitling installed the sub hands inconsistently during the last difficult years... Attachment: ImageUploadedByTapatalk1420580209.643959.jpg
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
as Phil says, in the "dark years" just before closing down the company (I'd say from 1975 onwards, but remember that case serial numbers tell us when cases were produced, not when the final watches were assembled) used any parts they had on stock to be able to finish watches for sale. but there is little doubt the running seconds hand on the "classique" 7806 and 8806 had that different wider shape from all other subdial hands used on the Navitimers, this seems to be the inky catalog showing these, other catalogs show the -S without running seconds. 
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| Author: | 806er [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
in the picture you postet now, we see the combination i descriped and yes - we really see different combinations (btw - i think we see a Breitling service dial in this picture with "T" on the dial, but Luminova). This "combinations" happend in the past of the watches during the "visit" at the watchmackers. But depending on what modell/movement the possibility of different combination is limited by the used movement (thx to Eric, who helped me to understand). Let's talk about the modells with 3 sub register. They have a permanent second and for this axle/spindle the hand has a different pipe length, so that means, if a watchmaker removed the hands (now we presume, that the watch had it's original hands) and later has to put on again, for first he knows wich hand he had to put on the sub register with permanent second. Now he had to put on the other two hands, but wich one at wich position ???  So for me this is the reason, why we see these different combinations at these two sub registers. We see this on the 7806, but also for example look at Navitimer 806. There we have the permanent second at sub register position 9, so that we find the different combinations between the hands on the other two subdials. I think, that inpedendent from the modell/Ref. the hand with the widther swort should/had been original on the hour counting sub register. in my opinion in the "difficult years" Breitling don't do so much mystery work, as we can read. xx % from these "mystery watches" had been the work from people, who did this after (!) the "difficult years", because it was easy to do. parts from Breitling had been distributet in large quantities from alot of people, who bought and sold these parts during a long period in boxes, rucksacks, boot ... regards Stephan |
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| Author: | WatchFred [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
"btw - i think we see a Breitling service dial in this picture with "T" on the dial, but Luminova)." so you are claiming that Breitling is using a "service dial" in their only known catalog, reprinted several times in several languages until 1973 at least ? I must misunderstand you. |
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| Author: | 806er [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
WatchFred wrote: as Phil says, in the "dark years" just before closing down the company (I'd say from 1975 onwards, but remember that case serial numbers tell us when cases were produced, not when the final watches were assembled) used any parts they had on stock to be able to finish watches for sale. but there is little doubt the running seconds hand on the "classique" 7806 and 8806 had that different wider shape from all other subdial hands used on the Navitimers, this seems to be the inky catalog showing these, other catalogs show the -S without running seconds. don't understand this comment, because 1. a 8806 has no running second 2. even in this qualaty of the catalouge picture we see the totally different hand (design) on the running second 3. in this catalogue on the 7806 the hour counting hand is the more width swort hand (more wifth than the one on the 30 minutes sub register) later i can sbow a much better qualaty picture of this catalogue and another one. also perhabs we should accord, what is the width and what is the lengths. For me these little sub hands the length is the messure approximately 4,x mm and the different widths hard to see by eye. regards Stephan |
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| Author: | 806er [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
WatchFred wrote: "btw - i think we see a Breitling service dial in this picture with "T" on the dial, but Luminova)." so you are claiming that Breitling is using a "service dial" in their only known catalog, reprinted several times in several languages until 1973 at least ? I must misunderstand you. now there is a lot of missunderstanding. my answer was to question from wills0_9 and the picture he showed your post with catalogue picture (that was brand new before i submit my answer) i answered also, but seperatly Stephan |
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| Author: | wills0_9 [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
806er wrote: WatchFred wrote: "btw - i think we see a Breitling service dial in this picture with "T" on the dial, but Luminova)." so you are claiming that Breitling is using a "service dial" in their only known catalog, reprinted several times in several languages until 1973 at least ? I must misunderstand you. now there is a lot of missunderstanding. my answer was to question from wills0_9 and the picture he showed your post with catalogue picture (that was brand new before i submit my answer) i answered also, but seperatly Stephan Yes. My image shows a service dial. Posted to illustrate hands  . The style of the twin jets logo gives it away too!
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| Author: | Midengine-man [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Navitimer 7806 - genuine? |
Since I own a 7806 in what I believe to be original condition , I thought I should add my 2 cents: It is true that the 6 o'clock sub is a running second hand that does not zero with the chrono function. It is also true that the 6 o'clock hand is a different design than the other subs . This hand has more of a wedge shape. Mine has the big sundial face with the "T Swiss" annotation, I believe this is the original face for this watch. I am not trying to offend anyone, just offering what I believe may be some clarity. I have owned mine since 2007 and have been watching them for a while. BTW, if you have not bought it yet, you can find 7806's in much better condition. Dave |
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