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cruvon wrote:

Looks great, I would say its worth atleast 10k to a collector, just get the plexi glass cleaned, if its a very clean example I would say worth even more than 10k, closer to 15k.

Yeah, it sounds pretty easy, just get the plexi cleaned and sell it at 10-15 K, but where, and to whom ? ? ?
Furthermore we don't know the actual condition of the dial, and just one little imperfection sends the value into a free fall. From the pictures it looks like the sliderule ring isn't in the best condition, what have made it look like that is moisture / humidity, and from the very best of my knowledge it must have had an impact to the dial as well, but it's obviously much more visible on a white color than on a black color, to the naked eye.

I recall to have said what you say, but if I wrote a DRSD then I was wrong, I have meant a white reference 1665 SD.

But as Fred mention, you can't compare OP with me, I have a sky high reputation of only selling the best of the best, always completely serviced and guaranteed 100% original & unrestored.

He is looking for an honest feedback, and it's wrong of you to tell him what it's worth in the hands of the right person, as he is most likely miles away from being that.
Fact is.: Dealers buy at lowest possible prices in order to make as big a profit as possible, collectors tend to pay more, simply because we don't have to make room for a profit.

On eBay Rene's estimate is probably right, if sold to a private individual it is most likely in the high end of what Rene said. But basically it's very simple, as at the end of the day it's worth what somebody is ready to pay.

You might recall that both Rene and I was in contact with seller of the attached 1955 NOS Val 72 AOPA Navitimer with box & papers a couple of years ago. Seller did all the right things back then, used a lot of time, contacted a lot of guys, including Matthew Bain & myself, and I ended up buying it at $ 8.000,-, which was more than anybody else would pay.

This one looks like being an honest, but well used watch, with no goodies at all. The reference number also hurts the value a lot, as the real Grails are the pre 806 ones.

/ Kurt B http://www.kurt-b.com

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Author:	mcfrisell [ Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:01 pm ]
Post subject:	1955 Breitling Navitimer Valjoux 72 stamped 806 caseback
Hi Everyone.....I am new to Breitling Source and have been drawn to all of you because I have been researching a Breitling watch that was willed to me about 7 years ago. I am looking for honest feed back to the value of my 1955 Navitimer Valjoux 72 WITH the 806 stamped on case back. This watch is in great working order considering it has no record of service and has ALL it's original parts (it has been in a drawer for 40 years). I have sent this watch out to Breitling in Conn. and it has made its way to the Heists at Horological Services in Boyerville, PA. All have validated it's authenticity and the Heists have explained to me that, besides its wear and minor issues, this is a gem in fantastic working order. I am looking to find its maximum value and would like to know what you all think I can truthfully expect to get when I put this up for sale. I really have the Breitling bug now and someday will have an everyday one to wear but am using the money from this watch for a spring wedding. I know this is considered the HOLY GRAIL of Navitimers for collectors....Looking for some good and real feedback. Thanks, Matt

Author:	sawgolf4me [ Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:28 pm ]
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You need to post a picture of the movement. Your pictures are like taking a picture of your Ferrari from 20 feet away and asking what it's worth.

Author:	mcfrisell [ Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:05 pm ]
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LOL....I gotcha. I have some pictures coming from Mark and Teresa Heist....some really good shots. Next week I will have those up here. The inside is much better that the outside I promise you that. Cheers.

Author:	Dracha [ Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:13 pm ]
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Value ? I would say approx 5 to 6K based on the pics and what I can see IF it has the V72 movement

Author:	Roffensian [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:54 am ]
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Moved to vintage section as it appears to be research rather than a sales listing, and it fails to comply with the rules of the sales section.

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Author:	Kurt B [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:51 am ]
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mcfrisell wrote: LOL....I gotcha. I have some pictures coming from Mark and Teresa Heist....some really good shots. Next week I will have those up here. The inside is much better that the outside I promise you that. Cheers. Looks like a Valjoux 72 case to me. Kurt B http://www.kurt-b.com

Author:	mcfrisell [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:24 pm ]
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It is definitely a valjoux 72 .....I have had 3 places that have experts and seen the 72 on the movement myself....at the end of next week I will have some photos....Thanks

Author:	cruvon [ Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:45 am ]
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Looks great, I would say its worth atleast 10k to a collector, just get the plexi glass cleaned, if its a very clean example I would say worth even more than 10k, closer to 15k.

Author:	Dracha [ Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:09 am ]
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cruvon wrote: Looks great, I would say its worth atleast 10k to a collector, just get the plexi glass cleaned, if its a very clean example I would say worth even more than 10k, closer to 15k. San, we're obviously way apart, can you explain how you get to your numbers ?

Author:	WatchFred [ Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:28 am ]
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reality will be somewhere in the middle, I assume, have not seen an R72 in decent condition sell at the price Rene mentions for quite some time, the 10-15k range (even in €) are typical dealer asking prices, only the most prestigeous sellers will really get those prices, San.

Author:	cruvon [ Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:36 am ]
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Hi Rene, Fred, I am just speaking from my experience on purchasing these, for one they are not available for purchase easily in good condition and if they are, then provided all or most boxes tick, they sell for a minimum of 10k USD. I paid more than 10k for the one I acquired from Kurt. Now if its a dealer buying these, then maybe they can get them much cheaper. Also I have seen Kurt mention in one of his threads here that he's been selling 54 V72's for closer to the prices of Rolex DRSD's these days...a base common variation DRSD starts from about 25k USD so guess Kurt too can enlighten us on the latest prices on these.

Author:	WatchFred [ Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:46 am ]
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he most probably won't. again, prices a seller like Kurt can achieve should not be a consideration here. OP is no Kurt, that takes a decade or two of hard work building up expertise and name. let us see decent pics before we can say anything of true relevance ?

Author:	cruvon [ Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:18 am ]
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WatchFred wrote: let us see decent pics before we can say anything of true relevance ? yes, all those numbers are conditional based on the quality of the dial under the scratched plexi crystal and overall condition but he said the Heists have said its in great condition, I wouldn't think they would call a watch a "gem" lightly, OP, lets see some pics of the dial after some polywatch on the plastic crystal!

Author:	Kurt B [ Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:21 am ]
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cruvon wrote: Looks great, I would say its worth atleast 10k to a collector, just get the plexi glass cleaned, if its a very clean example I would say worth even more than 10k, closer to 15k. Yeah, it sounds pretty easy, just get the plexi cleaned and sell it at 10-15 K, but where, and to whom ? ? ? Furthermore we don't know the actual condition of the dial, and just one little imperfection sends the value into a free fall. From the pictures it looks like the sliderule ring isn't in the best condition, what have made it look like that is moisture / humidity, and from the very best of my knowledge it must have had an impact to the dial as well, but it's obviously much more visible on a white color than on a black color, to the naked eye. I recall to have said what you say, but if I wrote a DRSD then I was wrong, I have meant a white reference 1665 SD. But as Fred mention, you can't compare OP with me, I have a sky high reputation of only selling the best of the best, always completely serviced and guaranteed 100% original & unrestored. He is looking for an honest feedback, and it's wrong of you to tell him what it's worth in the hands of the right person, as he is most likely miles away from being that. Fact is.: Dealers buy at lowest possible prices in order to make as big a profit as possible, collectors tend to pay more, simply because we don't have to make room for a profit. On eBay Rene's estimate is probably right, if sold to a private individual it is most likely in the high end of what Rene said. But basically it's very simple, as at the end of the day it's worth what somebody is ready to pay. You might recall that both Rene and I was in contact with seller of the attached 1955 NOS Val 72 AOPA Navitimer with box & papers a couple of years ago. Seller did all the right things back then, used a lot of time, contacted a lot of guys, including Matthew Bain & myself, and I ended up buying it at $ 8.000,-, which was more than anybody else would pay. This one looks like being an honest, but well used watch, with no goodies at all. The reference number also hurts the value a lot, as the real Grails are the pre 806 ones. / Kurt B http://www.kurt-b.com

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Author:	cruvon [ Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:33 am ]
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Kurt B wrote: cruvon wrote: Looks great, I would say its worth atleast 10k to a collector, just get the plexi glass cleaned, if its a very clean example I would say worth even more than 10k, closer to 15k. Yeah, it sounds pretty easy, just get the plexi cleaned and sell it at 10-15 K, but where, and to whom ? ? ? Furthermore we don't know the actual condition of the dial, and just one little imperfection sends the value into a free fall. From the pictures it looks like the sliderule ring isn't in the best condition, what have made it look like that is moisture / humidity, and from the very best of my knowledge it must have had an impact to the dial as well, but it's obviously much more visible on a white color than on a black color, to the naked eye. I recall to have said what you say, but if I wrote a DRSD then I was wrong, I have meant a white reference 1665 SD. But as Fred mention, you can't compare OP with me, I have a sky high reputation of only selling the best of the best, always completely serviced and guaranteed 100% original & unrestored. He is looking for an honest feedback, and it's wrong of you to tell him what it's worth in the hands of the right person, as he is most likely miles away from being that. Fact is.: Dealers buy at lowest possible prices in order to make as big a profit as possible, collectors tend to pay more, simply because we don't have to make room for a profit. On eBay Rene's estimate is probably right, if sold to a private individual it is most likely in the high end of what Rene said. But basically it's very simple, as at the end of the day it's worth what somebody is ready to pay. You might recall that both Rene and I was in contact with seller of the attached 1955 NOS Val 72 AOPA Navitimer with box & papers a couple of years ago. Seller did all the right things back then, used a lot of time, contacted a lot of guys, including Matthew Bain & myself, and I ended up buying it at $ 8.000,-, which was more than anybody else would pay. This one looks like being an honest, but well used watch, with no goodies at all. The reference number also hurts the value a lot, as the real Grails are the pre 806 ones. / Kurt B http://www.kurt-b.com [/img] That's true too Kurt, thinking about it again, I guess I would only buy one from a verified source like yourself for the plain reason that chances of getting it wrong are too high for most mortals like myself. Oky, if it's not a DRSD then about 15-16k is the ballpark for a complete 1665 SD, was surprised when you mentioned jump in prices to DRSD rates. Also you are right about the 806 engraved caseback on the OPs one, which will reduce prices compared to the first generation dialed pre 806 54-55 V72s. I remember that beautiful NOS 1955, you surely got a steal on that one.