For sure earlier than 1950. I've got this Harman ref 734 w/Venus 178 and serial # 601xxx from 1945 incoming.
Also this one is an even earlier piece and also a ref 734 serial # 543xxx probably 1943.
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| Author: | Dracha [ Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Another silly question .... When was the venus 178 first |
Does anyone know the exact year / month the venus 178 movement was first released ? ( do we see a pattern in my questions ? ) Ranfft says 'early 1950'ies' but I am curious what year and preferably year/month these movements were released ?, what is the earliest known watch of any make that has a venus 178 movement inside ? I know of a 1953 765 AVI , serial 820441 , with a V178 , but surely this is not the oldest ? My pattern is trying to establish a date when the 765 AVI was developed . I assume it takes at least 6 months to develop a watch , taking a known movement, designing the dial , special 15 minute aperture window and parts for that , designing the watch dial and hands etc etc Lets say Breitling moved to geneve in march 1953, any watch released prior to march would not have geneve on the dial , take off a conservative 6 month development time and we have a initial design date of sept / oct 1952 for the 765 AVI . Well ahead of the release of the Breguet XX, Vixa , Auricoste and others Yes I am trying to come up with 'proof' by deduction that Breitling was the original designer of the famous type XX , and not Breguet |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another silly question .... When was the venus 178 first |
Not sure that I have ever seen a specific year, will try and dig through some references on the weekend. 175 that is the family base was introduced in the mid 40s I think (definitely the 40s), so wouldn't be surprised if the 178 was prior to 1950, but don't ask me to find a piece with it in from that early! |
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| Author: | saabreit [ Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another silly question .... When was the venus 178 first |
René, it is sure that Venus 178 appeared at least 10 years before its use in the ref .765 ! Breitling ref 734 appeared in catalogs in 1941 or 1942 as a military watch and was encasing a Venus 178 . I have one 734 case number 543325. By the fact it is a proof that Venus 178 was already available in 1943 . Chronomat 786 fitted with the Venus 178 appeared at the same period . All those I have seen have a nickel finish I guess that rosegold plated execution appeared further , maybe for Breitling . I have also seen a rosegold plated V178 for Lip . |
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| Author: | vintage [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another silly question .... When was the venus 178 first |
For sure earlier than 1950. I've got this Harman ref 734 w/Venus 178 and serial # 601xxx from 1945 incoming. Also this one is an even earlier piece and also a ref 734 serial # 543xxx probably 1943.
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