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Author: | Dracha [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:13 am ] |
Post subject: | 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
Since there doesn't seem to be a comprehensive list with Breitling 765 models that were released over the years I decided to make one. This is the list as I consider 'correct' , and as always things will change as I see or notice more differences or dates that need to change. The early history of these pieces I investigated here viewtopic.php?f=11&t=50565 1953 1953 , the birth of the 'Original' 765 AVI ![]() 1955 Around 1955 we see 2 models. 1 with a 'digital' date aperture minute counter ![]() and 1 with a normal subdial layout ![]() I believe that the approx number of AVI watches made, Analog and Digital combined, between 1953 & 1958 is 1000 pcs. This number is based on the serial numbers I collected 1960 still 2 models like above with the only change being the larger beads on the bezel and 'fatter' hands on both models ![]() and the 'normal' dial layout with subdial but also 'fatter' hands and larger beads on the bezel ![]() 1962 / 63 / 64 Somewhere between 1962 and 1964 Breitling changed from an all black dial to a 'reverse' panda dial. I have seen indisputable examples with a '62 case number both in all black . and the earliest 'reverse panda' I know of also has a '62 case number . note that the 1962 / 63 / 64 765 AVI has a steel bezel ![]() 1965 1965 marked a significant change in this family of watches . The Bezel is changed from steel to anodized aluminium And the model designation changed from 'AVI' to 'CP'. The CP stands for Co-Pilot (The Raquel Welsh watch is actually a AVI , not a Co-pilot) ![]() there was also a model with a slight variation in the bezel ![]() 1966 In addition to the 'normal' CP with black anodized bezel a 'Yachting' model with a 15 minute countdown subdial and bezel was added to the lineup , both models were sold concurrently ![]() 1967 The yachting (765 CP) model received a newly designed handset ![]() 1969 Between 1967 and 1969 Breitling stoppedr using a separate name for these on the case and they only had a reference number . So we say goodbye to the Co-Pilot name as well. An extended family we have now . the 7650 , larger than the previous 765 ![]() a newly designed yachting model 7650 ![]() and we even see a 24 hour model the 1765 Unitime ![]() approx number of 1765 watches made, is 1000 pcs. This number is based on the serial numbers I collected , runs from 1276000 to 1276999. However a batch of these cases was used to make 'TopTime' versions . 12 hour watches with the V7736 and V178 movement . These watches were given the reference 1765/36 when equipped with the 7736 movement or left with 1765 if they have the V178 movement . 1765 Toptimes typically have a serial number in the 1276300 - 1276399 range but have been seen with serial numbers in the 12768xx range as well When these TopTimes were made is currenty not known but I assume the 1765 Unitime was not a 'bestseller' and they used part of the cases to build the 1765/36 before (or concurrent) with the release of the 7656 as the dial and hands are Identical to the 7656 Also somewhere in 1969 a separate ref number was given to the yachting model the ref 7660 ![]() <insert big cased watches here ![]() 1975 For a few years it was very quiet on the 765X and X765 front. Until in 1975 Breitling released the 7656 'Top Time' ![]() |
Author: | buddman [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
Rene - here is another example for your research. Seems a slight variant to your analysis so far as this is the fine bezel but the hands are fatter. Serial number is 827481. Hope it helps. |
Author: | WatchFred [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
not too sure these hands are original to the watch - or the movement isn't ? |
Author: | buddman [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
WatchFred wrote: not too sure these hands are original to the watch - or the movement isn't ? Maybe. Re: hands - I suspect it could be a case of designs and models not cutting on and off all at once, using parts as available, etc. I handled the watch (sold at Bonhams today) and the dial and hand patina matched perfectly so I had no reason to think they didn't always belong together. |
Author: | WatchFred [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
do you have an auction link ? |
Author: | buddman [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
WatchFred wrote: do you have an auction link ? https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21920/lot/170/ |
Author: | Dracha [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
Its BOW marked, so I estimate it 54/55 It should have had the thinner hands and the minute counter is not original, neither is the chrono hand I suspect all hands have been replaced, maybe during service ? Movement looks OK |
Author: | WatchFred [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
BOW movements were not "lying around" at the same time these hands appeared - so as stated above, either hands were exchanged or the movement swapped. |
Author: | buddman [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
Dracha wrote: Its BOW marked, so I estimate it 54/55 It should have had the thinner hands and the minute counter is not original, neither is the chrono hand I suspect all hands have been replaced, maybe during service ? Movement looks OK Well spotted on the minute counter. These things are always so obvious once they're pointed out! I never noticed it. |
Author: | Dracha [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
Thank you , it is very obvious once you spend many hours looking at the watches in order to write the above article ![]() |
Author: | buddman [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
Dracha wrote: Thank you , it is very obvious once you spend many hours looking at the watches in order to write the above article ![]() +1 |
Author: | Dracha [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
P.s. When you factor in the buyers fee (30%?) auction price is a little over 6K euro Quite respectable |
Author: | buddman [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
Dracha wrote: P.s. When you factor in the buyers fee (30%?) auction price is a little over 6K euro Quite respectable The price shown on the link includes to buyer fee, so about €4800ish. Hammer price was £3200. |
Author: | Dracha [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
then thats not a bad price at all ! although on closer inspection (on bigger screen , not phone) I can see where and why Fred has concerns on the movement typically 'non gilded' movements do not have any 'gilded' parts this one does seem to have gilded parts inside ? More reason to question the whole piece ? |
Author: | buddman [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 765 AVI / CP Chronology from 1953 to 1975 |
Dracha wrote: then thats not a bad price at all ! although on closer inspection (on bigger screen , not phone) I can see where and why Fred has concerns on the movement typically 'non gilded' movements do not have any 'gilded' parts this one does seem to have gilded parts inside ? More reason to question the whole piece ? More good observations by you both. Glad I didn't buy it! |
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