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Hello dear Friends,
I want to show you my Watch.
In Breitling Service I was told that this is Original.

I have 1950 Breitling Cadette cal. Venus 188.
Number 746739 1189
This is Interesting,that the Mechanism Is Breitling Sprint. I thought that the dial was replaced, but I found some watches with same situation.

The Mechanism: Venus 188 (Breitling Sprint) SEVENTEEN 17 JEWELS UNADJUSTED SWISS. And there is some Symbol Like (vvvvv).

By the other side of the Cover Plate is a Line and the text SWISS.

I want to replace the dial, I found one week ago on eBay the same Dial like mine, but unfortunatelly the Offer was ended. I have the Foto.

Maybe someone can help me to Find the dial. I looking for Original. I will be very greateful!

What you can say about my watch? Maybe someone saw the same earlier?

Thank You very much for your Time!!

Great Forum!!

Vitalii

And one more Foto of the Dial.

It looks to me that the movement has had some heavy work done to it. It shouldn't say Sprint on a Cadette movement in any case. The vvvvv on the balance cock might be someones attempt to x out whatever was there originally but it's hard to tell from the pics. Notice some of the movement screws have been painted red too. All indications that something has been going on with the watch. I've seen the 1188 and 1189's without anything printed on the bridge and with Cadette printed on the bridge so I think either way is probably ok. Often the 1188's and 1189's don't even say Cadette on the dial. They made a bunch of the 11xx watches so they are constantly popping up in various stages of modification or configuration.

Thank you for your answer. No no, movement screws aren't red. This is optical illusion. They are grey, on the second Foto they are grey. This symbol on the balance cock is not damaged, it is exactly vvvvv. In service I was told that it could be on some consignment.
And what about Cadette dial and Sprint movement. I am confused too. But I found some other examples.
But maybe the dial there was replaced too. This is the link

http://uhrenshop.classic-watch-forum.de ... e-VERKAUFT

And here is the same movement as mine
http://www.ebay.de/itm/BREITLING-Uhr-Ch ... 0604586419

Yes I saw those links too but we usually don't use that seller as a baseline because of some questionable pieces we've seen him sell before.

Movement is not accurate for a Cadette. Balance cock definitely didn't start life in a Breitling and while the bridge stamping may be Breitling it shouldn't be in a Cadette. Reference links just undermine the credibility of the piece further because of that seller's reputation.

Not at all surprised that Breitling said that it was OK, Breitling today is a totally separate company from the one that produced watches prior to 1978 and bluntly they don't have much knowledge of vintage pieces. That would be fine if they were prepared to admit that, but regrettably there is a steady stream of examples of them making erroneous claims about originality of vintage pieces.

Thank you for your answer! Only with Elektro Zooming Glas I saw exactly what is on Balance cock. There is 3 Letters. EXN. Do you know what that means?

I become one more answer frome one collector about my watch. He said that, the dial belongs not to my wacht. My watch is 1950 and the Dial is 1965- 1967. The Hands belongs not to my watch too. Original Dial was Breitling Sprint. Exactly how 'vintage' told me. So, only the body and the Mechanism belongs to my model, everything else were replaced.

Now I defenetely want to change the dial!

hmmm....

I have yet to see a convincing "Sprint"-marked dial in a piece from the 1950s - happy to be proven wrong.

EXN is very interesting as it is a code attributed to Breitling US imports in the 1940s according to the Ranfft database, though the history of these is totally unknown, we never saw a documented example of these (you'll notice Ranfft puts it in italics), definitely not used after the mid 1940s (WOG/BOW/WOG from then on).

The only confirmably authentic component I see is the case itself, dated to 1950; ref. 1191 is clearly part of the "Cadette" range, though dials were rarely marked as such.

Rest is a hodgepodge of incorrect engravings, hands and dial.

I'll try to make a detail Foto now.

And more

things are getting rather worse, now the case starts looking strange .....
notice that some inscription was removed inside the caseback.

Yep, clearly another manufacturer name removed from inside the caseback. Shocking that Breitling said that this was correct - even by their standards.

I am shoked....How this People can repair other watches!
Thaks God i found your Forum! thank you very much for your Help!

I will have really serious conversation tommorrow with these Service! I have the paper that a become, and thanks God I saved the Quitung, because I payed for this 90 Euro!!! I understood that the Body is not Breitling?

And please say what you think about the Machanism and this symbol? Or maybe this is total Fake? Or it was build frome many parts? Now I am really worring... I want to hear your resolution, because I want to tell everithing in ''Breitling service''....

Thanks once more!!!

Based on what you have shown us I don't believe that anything is completely original Breitling.