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yes, there were several of those 18k "special editions" based on vintage movements the Schneider Breitling "found" on stock, some rather surprising movements among them that had never (as far as we know) been used by the original Breitling company. Why these movements had not been included in the well documented sell off of all Breitling stock is also quite unclear.

Sorry Fred, let me get this right, you saying these are genuine watches put together by Breitling? Do they come with official Breitling documentation? I have never heard of any watch company doing a similar thing!

You already got there Rene:), this story is surely suspect, don't think Breitling of today would worry about reusing and putting together watches in such small quantities.

Completely genuine pieces, although I would take issue with hte sellers assertion of them being from the 90s, I always thought that these were more transition pieces post 78 and pre 84.

Roff, did u recognize the movement above ?

WatchFred wrote:

Roff, did u recognize the movement above ?

Sorry, missed that.

Without Bestfit in front of me I can't say that I recognise it, yet it's a fairly unique looking piece.

Not Venus / Valjoux, and I can't match up to any of the obvious choices - Lemania, Universal, Landeron, etc.

Author:	cruvon [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:33 am ]
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Mint condition Breitling Calendar 18 karat rose Limited Edition. This is a very rare watch. It is approximately 10 years old, brand new unused new old stock, with original retail price of £5,000. The story behind this series is that when Breitling moved factory in the 1990’s they discovered 177 old movements wrapped in oil cloth. The movements were old but unused and not refurbished. They decided to service each movement and put them into a limited edition series of calendars and chronographs. The case is fashioned from solid 18 karat rose gold, with solid case back. It is made in the style of one of the original Breitling designs from the early 1960’s. It has the look and feel of a genuine vintage Breitling form the early 1960’s but with newly made immaculate dial and case with Breitling refurbished movement. The watch is fully functioning with full calendar and moonphase functions. It has an acrylic crystal in keeping with the original watch of this period. It is a very small limited edition and only 40 pieces were made of this particular model making it a very rare watch. It was originally purchased as a part of a collection about 10 years ago and as such has never once been worn, it has been a in a safe and the strap has no marks, the case or crystal has no marks as it is one hundred percent new old stock. It comes on the original tan Breitling signed leather strap and 18 karat rose gold Breitling singed pin buckle which is also unmarked. It comes with the original box and papers, the papers are hold punched with the model references but are unstamped and unsigned, devoid of any dealer marks or date that they were sold. The box is a small vintage style solid walnut box with outer box. Dimensions are as follows, width is Width is 37 mm excluding crown, 39 mm including crowns, Lug to lug is 44 mm, Thickness is 12 mm. Ref. BRL 164. sold http://www.chronomaster.co.uk/B191_Breilting_Cal_4.jpg on http://www.chronomaster.co.uk/breitling.htm

Author:	WatchFred [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:42 am ]
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yes, there were several of those 18k "special editions" based on vintage movements the Schneider Breitling "found" on stock, some rather surprising movements among them that had never (as far as we know) been used by the original Breitling company. Why these movements had not been included in the well documented sell off of all Breitling stock is also quite unclear.

Author:	cruvon [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:53 am ]
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WatchFred wrote: yes, there were several of those 18k "special editions" based on vintage movements the Schneider Breitling "found" on stock, some rather surprising movements among them that had never (as far as we know) been used by the original Breitling company. Why these movements had not been included in the well documented sell off of all Breitling stock is also quite unclear. Thanks, is that where he buys his watches from or sold his creations to?:)

Author:	Dracha [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:31 am ]
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here's some more of the re-issues viewtopic.php?f=11&t=34278&p=251854

Author:	cruvon [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:28 am ]
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You already got there Rene:), this story is surely suspect, don't think Breitling of today would worry about reusing and putting together watches in such small quantities.

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Author:	WatchFred [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:47 am ]
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there is a rather nice one currently for sale out of the UK, talk about undocumented movements ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/140711737161?ss ... 1438.l2649 Roff, do you recognize this one ? edit: San, these ARE genuine "Breitling of today" watches !

Author:	cruvon [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:07 am ]
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Sorry Fred, let me get this right, you saying these are genuine watches put together by Breitling? Do they come with official Breitling documentation? I have never heard of any watch company doing a similar thing!

Author:	WatchFred [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:12 am ]
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yes, San !

Author:	cruvon [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:16 am ]
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Wow, that's quite a let down on Breitlings part. Who would want to buy those?:)

Author:	Dracha [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:17 am ]
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cruvon wrote: Sorry Fred, let me get this right, you saying these are genuine watches put together by Breitling? Do they come with official Breitling documentation? I have never heard of any watch company doing a similar thing! Yes, they're original Breitling watches . Venus movement, Breitling cases etc I dont see how these are not 'original' ? a lot of companies do/did the same thing Maurice Lecroix did the same with their "Masterpieces" here's a link to one of those (first link I found in google) http://www.gemnation.com/watches/Mauric ... -2837.html cruvon wrote: You already got there Rene:), this story is surely suspect, don't think Breitling of today would worry about reusing and putting together watches in such small quantities. These were made by Breitling of today and they still make LE's of 10 and 25 pieces

Author:	Roffensian [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:20 am ]
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Completely genuine pieces, although I would take issue with hte sellers assertion of them being from the 90s, I always thought that these were more transition pieces post 78 and pre 84.

Author:	WatchFred [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:13 am ]
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Roffensian wrote: Completely genuine pieces, although I would take issue with hte sellers assertion of them being from the 90s, I always thought that these were more transition pieces post 78 and pre 84. definitely early 80s afaik & among the nicer watches the "new Breitling" produced, though this of course is from the Vintage pov. Roff, did u recognize the movement above ?

Author:	Roffensian [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:02 am ]
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WatchFred wrote: Roff, did u recognize the movement above ? Sorry, missed that. Without Bestfit in front of me I can't say that I recognise it, yet it's a fairly unique looking piece. Not Venus / Valjoux, and I can't match up to any of the obvious choices - Lemania, Universal, Landeron, etc.

Author:	saabreit [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:52 pm ]
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Roffensian wrote: WatchFred wrote: Roff, did u recognize the movement above ? Sorry, missed that. Without Bestfit in front of me I can't say that I recognise it, yet it's a fairly unique looking piece. Not Venus / Valjoux, and I can't match up to any of the obvious choices - Lemania, Universal, Landeron, etc. For me a Landeron 42 = as far as I know , the last Landeron with column wheel. Troubling fact : 1/ compare now with the one here told as from the 30's that does not sound good => http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHRONOGRAPHE-BR ... 673wt_1163 2/ read the merging feelings of Fred, Roff, Bill here => viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37933 3/ go back to the root of this post and the story told by Breitling SA "The story behind this series is that when Breitling moved factory in the 1990’s they discovered 177 old movements wrapped in oil cloth. The movements were old but unused and not refurbished. They decided to service each movement and put them into a limited edition series of calendars and chronographs" In the pics of "vintage revival Schneiderlings " we can see both a V175 and a Landeron 42 . If Breitling used some Landeron 42's in a few watches in the 30's, it would help to understand that they discovered some of those L42 60 years after ? Yes ? NO? Maybe? Sure not clear..

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Author:	cruvon [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:55 pm ]
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Thanks for the explanation guys. To me these are not collectible at all since there is no appreciable heritage behind the watch as a whole with all those mixed and matched parts from different eras. Is akin to taking bricks from a number of run down heritage buildings and trying make a monument to nothing:). However others may beg to differ on their collectability.