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Recently I saw an influx of questions about vintage Datora pieces, mainly the 784's and 785's and whether or not some watches were authentic, had work done to them or were blatantly fake/franken , I started to dig a little deeper

As I was just able to purchase one , which was subsequently sent to Chronodeco for service and Craig confirmed it was correct, I used this watch, together with a 18K Gold piece also confirmed to be genuine by Craig, as a starting point.

The first thing I noticed on most Breitling 784's and 785's was a distinct shape on the lugs, these are beveled and show a 'square' on the lugs (see circles on the lugs on the 785 from the 1946 catalog)

These beveled lugs and squares can also be seen on the 2 784's side by side and also on some of the 785's on offer on Ebay and Chrono24. Some other 785's do not have these beveled lugs and I find those questionable as I am unable to ascertain authenticity.

Now, by no means this is meant to be a stamp of approval but I see this might be a good starting point for determining whether or not at least the case is genuine ?

The one watch that puzzles me a bit is the one that Paul showed , as it does not show the beveled lugs ?
Paul's watch is from 1945, so would there have been a change in design from 1944 , my watch with beveled lugs to 1945 without beveled lugs back to beveled lugs in 1946 ?

anyway , here's the visual aid

Original 1946 ad , beveled lugs and squares clearly visible



My SS and the 18K confirmed piece



some 785's currently on Ebay and Chrono24 , with and without the beveled lugs







without






I am interested in hearing what you think

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

bullshit, take a look on Benno Richter page 45,

or in the original Breitling Katalog of 1952, here: http://www.breitling-uhren-forum.de/gal ... ra-803.jpg

and here: http://i-am-spamming!.de/index.php?pag ... 2#post1872

I still cant view pics you post on your forum Herbert/Michael
but bullshit ?

please elaborate and teach us with some authenticated pieces
as I said "Now, by no means this is meant to be a stamp of approval but I see this might be a good starting point for determining whether or not at least the case is genuine ?"

and 'bullshit' doesnt really add anything to the discussion, now does it ?

and



I didnt include the 803's I only speak about 785 & 784 (see topic)

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

schroederbert TheSage, now this is what I call a clarification by an unquestionable authority !

Dracha specifically asked about ref. 784 and 785.

http://i-am-spamming!.de/index.php?pag ... 2#post1872
is a link we can not see, as we are not registered. but this would be a source we would ignore anyway.

the picture you post is an 803

page 40 of Richter clearly proves Drachas claim, both the 784 and the 785 clearly show the "beveled" lugs !

Why you didnt look the photos of the 785 in Richters book page 45 and in the original Breitling catalog of 1952 ?

There you can see that your theories are only private bullshit.


page 40 of Benno Richter is only one copy of the 1946th catalog, nothing news

please post them (the pics) here
I believe there's a Richter pick that Fred posted, is that what you're referring to ?

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

there is a pic of a Datora on page 45 w/o reference number, might be an 803 we wre not talking about ?

original photo of the Breitling catalog of 1952

so somewhere between 1947 and 1952 they changed to non beveled lugs
do we have '48 , '49 , '50 , '51 and '52 examples ?

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

here the complete site of the 1952th catalog

well, that didn't answered my question

"so somewhere between 1947 and 1952 they changed to non beveled lugs, do we have '48 , '49 , '50 , '51 and '52 examples ?"

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

again bullshit:

The 803 has round pushers and screwed back.

again, it really doesn't add anything to the conversation, nor does it add anything to the 784/785 discussion

but I think its safe to say , If only to piss off Michael Herbert Maerz , anything prior to 1947 has beveled lugs , anything post 1951 has normal lugs

and the inbetween's we dont know yet as we dont have any authentic pieces to verify (yet)

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"I spent most of my money on Booze, Breitling and Boats. The rest I wasted" - mostly Elmore Leonard

this is a Venus 191 Datora, it has a total different case, 1mm bigger and with only one gradation on
glass holder ring