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Author: | Dracha [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:17 am ] |
Post subject: | How to date the early Breitling Navitimers by bezel beads |
This is my personal investigation , and work in progress, helped by comments that I read on the Breitlingsource vintage board. I have taken all comments into consideration, even though I do not agree with all comments, and they have helped me come to the below conclusions. Counting beads (yes really !) So far I have found 6 different 'rice bead' bezels on Breitling Navitimer watches and I agree with Kurt B that “More beads is older” I just needed to verify this statement for myself (sorry Kurt ! ![]() If I find Navitimers with other bead counts , and if they are all correct and can be properly dated, I will add them to this list 125 Beads: The Early ![]() Also the earliest know ![]() ![]() 124 Beads: ![]() The late Image 1954 & 1955 Navitimers with V72 movements that I have been able to identify have 124 beads on the bezel and BOW on the movement. Also the 1955 Navitimer with V72 movement and with an 806 caseback that Kurt recently bought (note 2) I consider this to be a transitional model between the V72's without Ref numbers and the V178 with the Ref 806 and this one has 124 beads. Export code most likely BOW but I am not sure as it cannot be seen in the Ebay auction 120 Beads: The ![]() 98 Beads: The ![]() 93 Beads: The ![]() ![]() ![]() Need further investigation: 94 Beads: speculation warning ! I always assumed that Chronograph Suisse Aviation pieces (O&W ?) were build from parts that were sold when Breitling liquidated in the late 1970ies. the bead count on these bezels may tell a different story as I have not yet encountered Breitling 806's with 94 Beads , but ![]() 92 Beads: this ![]() What is missing : I am missing some info on the '58 pieces , some more on the 92 beads pieces and more info on the Chronograph Suisse Aviation watches If you have one of these can you send me a clear 'full frontal' pic so I can count the beads , the serial number and export code please ? I think that will help to identify age OR prove my theory wrong ![]() If you would like to do you own counting as well, just let me know and I will send you the material I have used for verification Thanks -Rene note 1) BOW is the import code until 1956/1957 WOG is the import code 1957/1958 onwards BOW was used by watches imported into the USA by Breitling themselves, WOG was used by Wakmann note 2) v ... 11&t=32952 note 3) http://www.watchlife.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=144 note 4) v ... 8&start=15 Copyright notice: If you would like to use this information on your website or somehow publish it please link back to this article and this website as this info was first published on Breitlingsource & Kurts website (125 beads) and I couldnt have done this without all the info on Breitlingsource , Yaffle, Chris K, Kurt B, TomVox1 , Bill , Roff , our German 'contributer' with his own ideas and many other contributers , be it they posted non-sense to make me see the truth or radical new ideas , plain facts and 'just' world class info that helped me with my counting ![]() edited for error in counting + added Chronograph Suisse edited fixed pics edited due to photobucket screwup |
Author: | Yaffle [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to date the early Breitling Navitimers by beads |
Nice work. I've never focused that hard on the Navitimers myself, but picking up from the previous discussion, it's nice to differentiate them in the same way say collectors do for the Submariner or the Speedmaster. |
Author: | WatchFred [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to date the early Breitling Navitimers by beads |
great post, René ! |
Author: | cruvon [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to date the early Breitling Navitimers by beads |
Awesome post René! |
Author: | Lofan [ Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to date the early Breitling Navitimers by bezel bead |
Hello Rene, I recently acquired a '58, serial 909xxx, export code WOG. It's currently in the shop but before it went I had two different outcomes on the bead count. when I get it back I'll count it again. And again... What say you? Regards, Chris |
Author: | Dracha [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to date the early Breitling Navitimers by bezel bead |
Hi Chris I am not sure what you are asking ? if you have the serial number and can date it through the serial number there is no need to count the beads this was mainly done to show correlation between beads and age / serial and to clear up some 'confusion' there was a long time ago on a particular batch of Navitimers that had a misstamped serial number Rgds Rene |
Author: | Lofan [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to date the early Breitling Navitimers by bezel bead |
Hello Rene, The serial number dates mine to 1958, but has a bead count of 96 --which is an amount I didn't see referenced within the post(s). I know you stated the decline in beads from 1957 to 1959, but my bead count doesn't correlate to either reference. Could they have only produced a 96-bead-bezel for a single year? Am I missing something? Thank you in advance for your answer. Regards, Chris |
Author: | Dracha [ Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to date the early Breitling Navitimers by bezel bead |
edited for photobucket 'updates' |
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