Service replacement parts identification

cruvon · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:10 pm

Hi, thought this would be a great thread to be able to learn more about identifying watches with service replacement parts. As we know, watches having no service replacement dials, hands, etc. are more collectable than those that do so it's important that we do know the difference and are able to identify them.

Here's some info from Kurt to begin with (pictures he posted are here viewtopic.php?f=11&t=35429&start=15)

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Take a look at the attached picture that JM once sent me with 2 twin plane logo’s, on the one to the left you will see that there are less filling in the bottom of the wings, they are brand new Breitling replacement dials, some of the watches that you have pictured has the same logo, it is obvious that the Lume on the markers on these watches are Luminolva, as Tritium has been disallowed to use, and hardly are available anymore.

Could we please have some more tips on how to identify service replacement dials and hands on other models, starting with the black 806"s?

Kurt B · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:36 pm

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Could we please have some more tips on how to identify service replacement dials and hands on other models, starting with the black 806"s?[/

Here's 2 Breitling AOPA replacement dials, and a shot of an original Logo.

Kurt B

cruvon · **Posted:** Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:17 pm

Kurt B wrote:

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Could we please have some more tips on how to identify service replacement dials and hands on other models, starting with the black 806"s?[/

Here's 2 Breitling AOPA replacement dials, and a shot of an original Logo.

Kurt B

Thanks Kurt. What are the identifiers to class those as replacement dials? Also in the first dial picture (not logo picture), the red marker sliderule is not period correct on the black dialed 806, right?

cruvon · **Posted:** Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:21 pm

My guesses

In dial picture 1 (not logo picture),
1) Is a 1955 AOPA?
2)The text "Geneve" never comes with the AOPA wings/B Breitling combination originally? (reference: xtremely rare 1955 Breitling AOPA Navitimer, with matte silver plated hands in your article)
3) In examples on your website, the wing is always below the Breitling lettering, whereas the service replacement has it the other way around?
4) The bottom of the wings is different on the original dial from the replacement. The originals gently curve and form the drooping tip of the wings, the replacement has just a bulge on the wing tips.

In dial picture 2,
1) Is a 2nd gen
2) the wing is always below the Breitling lettering, whereas the service replacement has it the other way around?
3) The "NAVITIMER" font looks bigger since it seems to be levelling with the 20 mark on the subdials whereas the ones on your website have the font below the 20 subdial markers?
4) I don't seem to find that combination of the wings and font on the original dials in Gen 2

http://www.watchlife.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=144

Kurt B · **Posted:** Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:00 am

cruvon wrote:

My guesses

In dial picture 1 (not logo picture),
1) Is a 1955 AOPA?
2)The text "Geneve" never comes with the AOPA wings/B Breitling combination originally? (reference: xtremely rare 1955 Breitling AOPA Navitimer, with matte silver plated hands in your article)
3) In examples on your website, the wing is always below the Breitling lettering, whereas the service replacement has it the other way around?
4) The bottom of the wings is different on the original dial from the replacement. The originals gently curve and form the drooping tip of the wings, the replacement has just a bulge on the wing tips.

In dial picture 2,
1) Is a 2nd gen
2) the wing is always below the Breitling lettering, whereas the service replacement has it the other way around?
3) The "NAVITIMER" font looks bigger since it seems to be levelling with the 20 mark on the subdials whereas the ones on your website have the font below the 20 subdial markers?
4) I don't seem to find that combination of the wings and font on the original dials in Gen 2

http://www.watchlife.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=144

Well - it’s obvious to me that none of them looks even close to original, but I guess that I have seen too many of them :wink:

On all black / black AOPA Navitimers the AOPA logo was an applied gilt logo, a black / white AOPA wing “B” Breitling Geneve dial was never made.

Kurt B

cruvon · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:25 pm

Kurt B wrote:

cruvon wrote:

My guesses

In dial picture 1 (not logo picture),
1) Is a 1955 AOPA?
2)The text "Geneve" never comes with the AOPA wings/B Breitling combination originally? (reference: xtremely rare 1955 Breitling AOPA Navitimer, with matte silver plated hands in your article)
3) In examples on your website, the wing is always below the Breitling lettering, whereas the service replacement has it the other way around?
4) The bottom of the wings is different on the original dial from the replacement. The originals gently curve and form the drooping tip of the wings, the replacement has just a bulge on the wing tips.

In dial picture 2,
1) Is a 2nd gen
2) the wing is always below the Breitling lettering, whereas the service replacement has it the other way around?
3) The "NAVITIMER" font looks bigger since it seems to be levelling with the 20 mark on the subdials whereas the ones on your website have the font below the 20 subdial markers?
4) I don't seem to find that combination of the wings and font on the original dials in Gen 2

http://www.watchlife.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=144

Well - it’s obvious to me that none of them looks even close to original, but I guess that I have seen too many of them :wink:

On all black / black AOPA Navitimers the AOPA logo was an applied gilt logo, a black / white AOPA wing “B” Breitling Geneve dial was never made.

Kurt B

Thanks Kurt, also are any of my other observations above for those service replacements correct?

Kurt B · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:27 am

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Thanks Kurt, also are any of my other observations above for those service replacements correct?

Take a look at my article, you can find answers to your questions there http://www.watchlife.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=144

/ Kurt B

cruvon · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:19 pm

Kurt B wrote:

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Thanks Kurt, also are any of my other observations above for those service replacements correct?

Take a look at my article, you can find answers to your questions there http://www.watchlife.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=144

/ Kurt B

Thanks Kurt, went through your article again. So you are saying that a "B Breitling Geneve" dial with a AOPA wing was never made so it must be a service replacement because of the extra "Geneve", right?

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I have seen less then a handful of black AOPA Navitimers sporting both Breitlings name, and an AOPA signed AOPA wing on the dial.

However a "B Breitling" with a signed AOPA wing is fine on the black/black by your statement in the article, correct?

Also another statement of interest is

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From the late 50’s, before going into the 2nd generation of Navitimers, Breitling started to produce AOPA Navitimers with their own name printed on the dial, but the AOPA wing logo was unsigned

So for these 806"s you mean "B Breitling Geneve" only and not only "B Breitling" with an unsigned AOPA logo should be present.

Also another assumption we could make for the black on black 806's is if the "B Breitling Geneve" or " B Breitling" wording is ever below the AOPA signed/unsiged wing than it is probably a service replacement like in the picture you posted above, correct? Or are there service replacement dials with "B Breitling Geneve" or " B Breitling" printed above the AOPA wings?

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