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Author:  WatchFred [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:45 am ]
Post subject:  Breitling ref. 283-19 ?
a high feedback seller in the UK claims he has 2 authentic "all original" NOS Breitlings of this reference.

Serial numbers would make them early 50s, ref. not listed in Richter, strange Logo script, massive doubts.

but would love your take on these ?
Author:  Roffensian [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Breitling ref. 283-19 ?
-19 type model numbers can be correct but I don't recognise this one and there's a lot about it that I don't like - the apparently new dial (I get 'NOS', but no aging at all), the caseback markings (inside and out), the Breitling on the wheel in the keyless works on a piece of this supposed vintage, etc.

I would want to see evidence of the existence of the model before putting my cash down.
Author:  Bill in Sacramento [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:13 am ]
Post subject:  "Fonte Injecter"?
"Iron Injected"? Is it a vitamin or a watch? I think it is a pretty complete fake, albeit one showing good craftsmanship. Strange, then, to choose such a strange font for the dial script (reminds me of what the Canadians used on their DND one-button chronos) and a goofy made up reference number. It should bother us to see the engraving on the movement wheel and inside caseback.
Author:  WatchFred [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Breitling ref. 283-19 ?
did not notice the "fonte injectée" (apostrophe missing), great eyes, Bill !
Am pretty sure this is a complete fake, although the dial is nicely designed, logo looks nice, but wrong.

why are you bothered by the numbers on the inside caseback, Bill ?
not that it matters on a fake, but would like to understand.

Seller has two identical "NOS" pieces on sale, the cottage industry extends it´s reach to the UK:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWAX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWAX:IT
Author:  Bill in Sacramento [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:17 am ]
Post subject:  I like my fakes to be sloppy as all get out.
If I was just shown the inside caseback, I would say it was likely correct. Likewise, I don't like to think the fraudsters are going to the trouble to make an engraving on the crown wheel (isn't that what it is?). The craftsmanship is just too good, so maybe the seller is fooled, too.
Author:  Roffensian [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: I like my fakes to be sloppy as all get out.
Bill in Sacramento wrote:
If I was just shown the inside caseback, I would say it was likely correct. Likewise, I don't like to think the fraudsters are going to the trouble to make an engraving on the crown wheel (isn't that what it is?). The craftsmanship is just too good, so maybe the seller is fooled, too.



Ratchet wheel or winding wheel. Transmission wheel / crown wheel is the other one :poke: :roll: :wink:

Whatever you want to call it I am convinced that it's real, but it's also an easy swap out so not necessarily indicative of the rest of the movement. Not so sure about the caseback, I'm OK with the font of the serial number, less OK with the random 28 above it.
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