See attached movement pics.
The inside of the back is also hand signed (very very faintly) "ORC 552" and "XT1149"
Is this a total fake?
Cheers
Phil
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| Author: | phil141j [ Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Anybody know what this is? |
Hello there, I am new to watches and generally clueless! but really liked the style.... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWNX:IT Any help much appreciated. Phil |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
Would need to see photos of the caseback and movement, but it's either a redial or a fake, and likely both. |
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| Author: | phil141j [ Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
Thanks, any idea what model it may be trying to fake? P |
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| Author: | jlee5050 [ Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
phil141j wrote: Thanks, any idea what model it may be trying to fake? P To find that out, a ref. number would come in handy. |
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| Author: | mhoutgraaf [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
Don't bother...it's VERY fake. Kind regards, Marco |
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| Author: | phil141j [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
Trawling through the clubisrael archives, the closest thing I can find is a ref.124? Cheers Phil |
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| Author: | phil141j [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
Also, what makes it obviously fake, rather than a redial... Thanks P |
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| Author: | phil141j [ Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
Here is picture of the back face, I should have a picture of the movement tonight...any advice on removing the back cover? Many thanks P |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
More evidence that it's not real - script Breitling on the dial, print Breitling on the caseback - that just wouldn't happen. Don't recall a 503 (there was a 4503 and 8503), but don't have the books to hand at work. It'll be a snap on caseback, a thin blade between caseback and case will pry it off - just be careful not to damage the movement with the blade. |
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| Author: | phil141j [ Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
See attached movement pics. The inside of the back is also hand signed (very very faintly) "ORC 552" and "XT1149" Is this a total fake? Cheers Phil |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
The caseback markings are watchmaker marks. There's no serial number which is another condemnation, and while it's not that clear, the Breitling on the movement doesn't look original either - total fake for me. |
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| Author: | mhoutgraaf [ Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
On the picture: another marriage, fake, whatever you want to call it, just don't buy it.... On the left is Phil's picture, right is the one sold on Ebay. This seller advertised on ebay with a dresswatch, ref. 190_10. Which, according to the Benno Richter list, doesn't exist. He calls this movement AS 1758, which was never used by Breitling. (it does look like an AS 1758, mostly.) I think Breitling never had these, how do you say, "guilded" movements. 3 x NO ! and i pass.... The most important thing for Phil is though: IF i'm correct and it is also Anton Schild 1758, AND it is a ref. 503 which is not in Benno's list: like Roff said: total fake. Kind regards, Marco |
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| Author: | phil141j [ Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
Many thanks guys, I have returned the watch for a refund citing this evidence and the opinion of a local watchmaker. Next time i'll do the sensible thing and post before I buy.... P |
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| Author: | phil141j [ Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
UPDATE: For your interest: See below reply from Breitling UK Dear Phil Thank you for your e-mail. Please accept my apologies for the delay in my reply, we have been experiencing problems with our internet access. The After-Sales Service Director has examined the photographs you have sent and has confirmed that this does appear to be a genuine Breitling watch. Unfortunately we do not hold any photographs of this watch. If I can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me again. Kindest regards Samantha Towner Customer Service Advisor BREITLING UK & EIRE Any thoughts? |
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| Author: | jlee5050 [ Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anybody know what this is? |
You have to understand that the Breitling now and Breitling then is not the same company... notice that they said they don't have any pictures... I'm assuming this goes for any references to their past pieces... It's your watch, and your money, but I've been here on this board long enough to know that the dial alone raises a red flag... I personally wouldn't touch it... just my .02. |
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