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| Author: | CesarC [ Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Is this an original Breitling? NEW PICTURES! |
Hi everyone! My name is Cesar Camacho from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I collect wrist watches since a year ago. And I´m a newbie but I´m triying to learn. Past week, I bought a Breitling wrist watch. I really don´t know if its a real one or a fake. I was triying to find a similar one in other forums but I couldn´t. Can you help me with som information about it? I posted some pictures, sorry, they are not the best. The number on the back is 1207 19. In the inside there is another serial number 7 571311 and the watch has a transparent cover, covering the machine. On the inside, the last repairing is graved in 1967. It says "17 Jewels" in the movement and "unajusted" it also say "swiss" I payed for it about U$s 50.- The run condition is excellent! it varies less than seconds in a week!!!! Thanks in advance, César. |
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| Author: | jlee5050 [ Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this an original Breitling? |
As far as i know, there was no display back for vintage Breitlings... so that's a red flag... that movement doesn't look like something Breitling used either... A better pic of the dial could be in order... But if it runs good as you say, for 50 bucks you can't go wrong... my conclusion... don't think it's a Breitling... But welcome to Breitlingsource~ |
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| Author: | vintage [ Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this an original Breitling? |
Sounds like he's saying there's a clear cover inside the watch not a display back. Still strange either way. If there is a back cover for the watch with a reference number post a picture of that because it helps identify the watch. Better pcitures would help also. |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this an original Breitling? |
1207/19 is a valid model number for a watch like this, but a Paul says better pictures will help. |
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| Author: | vintage [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this an original Breitling? NEW PICTURES! |
The serial number dates the watch to 1951 which is right for that style. Don't really see any issues although the 'Breitling' on the movement looks a little strange like the letters aren't spaced correctly. In the Richter book the 1207/19 is correctly described as round case, small second, and there is a picture of one on page 71 which shows the same case design. |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this an original Breitling? NEW PICTURES! |
vintage wrote: The serial number dates the watch to 1951 which is right for that style. Don't really see any issues although the 'Breitling' on the movement looks a little strange like the letters aren't spaced correctly. In the Richter book the 1207/19 is correctly described as round case, small second, and there is a picture of one on page 71 which shows the same case design. Yes, but........ This one has to be a wrong'un. As you say the serial number dates to 1951 and yet the dial says Breitling Geneve. Breitling didn't move to Geneva until 1952. |
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| Author: | Bill in Sacramento [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Richter has a catalog image . . . |
. . . of a 1207/19 on page 81. It don't look nuthin' like this. It has a GMT chapter that doesn't appear to rotate. I'll have to think about the functionality of that. To my overly suspicious mind, this is another case of a skilled craftsman looking up a plausible model number in Richter's table. It's a pretty wild miss in this case. |
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| Author: | vintage [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this an original Breitling? NEW PICTURES! |
You guys know there are variations in the dial design within the same model numbers. See them all the time. 1951 or 1952, the serial number is towards the later part of 1951 so who's to say this wasn't a transition piece around the time they added Geneve. The movement is a correct Felsa type movement. The case style and back with serial number appear authentic so, worse case scenario, it might have had the dial repainted and the 'Breitling' added to the movement but it probably started life as a real Breitling. Not really enough to discredit it completely but atypical of pieces originating in this area. |
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| Author: | CesarC [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this an original Breitling? NEW PICTURES! |
Can you say me the aprox real value of this watch? I don´t want to carry a thousand dollars watch in my wrist everyday, you know.... Thank you very much for your help, It´s really a pleasure to have the oportunity of learning. |
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| Author: | Bill in Sacramento [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Hhmmmm. |
Well, we tend to focus on the chronographs, for which we know multiple dial patterns existed and the buyer could choose which the wanted. For time-only watches, I tend to think the catalog copy is pretty true and models were tagged more to the dial as much as the case or movement. In this case, we have a catalog image very close to the serial on the watch we're examining. I think it should look like the one in 1952 catalog that Richter is showing. |
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