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| Author: | breitlingmuseum [ Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
Here I am for the first time disconcerted. Is this clock genuine or not? http://cgi.ebay.de/BREITLING-1940ER-18K ... 5639a24d3d |
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| Author: | breitlingmuseum [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
Hallo Roff, what is your opinion about this watch ? |
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| Author: | vintage [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
Breitling on the dial looks redone. Movement might be either a Venus 152 or 178, hard to tell from the pic, but probably ok. Never heard of a ref 903 and the serial number doesn't jive for the age of the watch. Conclusion: 18k Frankenwatch. |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
breitlingmuseum wrote: Hallo Roff, what is your opinion about this watch ? Sorry, missed this one. As Paul says, the serial number is inconsistent with the era, and the model number isn't close to anything that I can find documented. The dial logo is good, but the application looks flat and inconsistent with the rest of the dial - stencilled or machined in my opinion. I see no evidence that the movement has been modified to offer any additional anti-magnetic properties, so not sure what supports the antimagnetique claim on the dial - quite possibly because the dial doesn't match the movement. It's also odd to have a gold watch be claimed as anti-magnetic as gold offers less protection than stainless steel. The movement itself looks to me like a 178, but as Paul says, it could be a 152 - minor visible differences and you end up looking at things like scre positions which are unreliable. It's also odd to have no incabloc in a gold case (though obviously not unknown). I'm with Paul, I think that this is a frankenwatch with only the movement being donated by a Breitling. |
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| Author: | breitlingmuseum [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
thanks for the coments. I am realy very uncertain about this watch. |
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| Author: | alingher [ Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
I am the one who bought this watch yesterday.  Unfortunately I have noticed it only shortly before the end of the auction - so I had no time to do some research. Now I had...and an antimagnetic chronograph was invented by Vacheron Constantin in 1954. What does the serial no. tell me in regard of the year? Is that really supposed to be a 1940s watch? Thanks for your help! |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
alingher wrote: I am the one who bought this watch yesterday. Unfortunately I have noticed it only shortly before the end of the auction - so I had no time to do some research. Now I had...and an antimagnetic chronograph was invented by Vacheron Constantin in 1954. What does the serial no. tell me in regard of the year? Is that really supposed to be a 1940s watch? Thanks for your help! The serial number doesn't tell you anything I'm afraid because it's not a Breitling caseback. The watch is likely 40s or 50s, if the serial number were a real Breitling one then it would be before the reliable dating started but likely 30s. In terms of anti-magnetic, claims have been made for a very long time about watches having anti-magnetic properties, but in earlier watches it generally just meant better shielding. |
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| Author: | alingher [ Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
Roffensian wrote: The serial number doesn't tell you anything I'm afraid because it's not a Breitling caseback. The watch is likely 40s or 50s, if the serial number were a real Breitling one then it would be before the reliable dating started but likely 30s. In terms of anti-magnetic, claims have been made for a very long time about watches having anti-magnetic properties, but in earlier watches it generally just meant better shielding. Ok, so far this watch seems to have: - a Venus 178 (maybe 152) movement, probably Breitling? - a dial which seems to fit a Venus 178, definitely not Breitling? - a case which also seems to fit a Venus 178, the serial and the ref engraved on the caseback look like Breitling, don't they? Would it be possible, that this is an older Breitling case? I guess I'd best withdraw from the deal? Or is a Venus 178 and a golden case worth the price, anyway? |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
alingher wrote: Roffensian wrote: The serial number doesn't tell you anything I'm afraid because it's not a Breitling caseback. The watch is likely 40s or 50s, if the serial number were a real Breitling one then it would be before the reliable dating started but likely 30s. In terms of anti-magnetic, claims have been made for a very long time about watches having anti-magnetic properties, but in earlier watches it generally just meant better shielding. Ok, so far this watch seems to have: - a Venus 178 (maybe 152) movement, probably Breitling? - a dial which seems to fit a Venus 178, definitely not Breitling? - a case which also seems to fit a Venus 178, the serial and the ref engraved on the caseback look like Breitling, don't they? Would it be possible, that this is an older Breitling case? I guess I'd best withdraw from the deal? Or is a Venus 178 and a golden case worth the price, anyway? I don't think that the case is Breitling either - the movement does look genuine Breitling, but that's it for me. Is it worth the price you paid - well, that's your call. If you enjoy it as a watch then it's not a horrendous deal, just be aware of it's limitations. If you want a Breitling then you are better off looking elsewhere. |
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| Author: | Bill in Sacramento [ Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Never a Breitling |
See that base metal ring around the movement that is marked "METAL." That was a requirement for Swiss makers to show that only a small amount of gold was used in the case of a "Chronograph Suisse." It is very common to see these re-badged as Breitlings and other more up-scale makers. The more common varieties have the "egg shell" caseback that needs a base metal liner to avoid dents and bending. Breitling never used such cases. |
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| Author: | alingher [ Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Never a Breitling |
Bill in Sacramento wrote: See that base metal ring around the movement that is marked "METAL." That was a requirement for Swiss makers to show that only a small amount of gold was used in the case of a "Chronograph Suisse." It is very common to see these re-badged as Breitlings and other more up-scale makers. The more common varieties have the "egg shell" caseback that needs a base metal liner to avoid dents and bending. Breitling never used such cases. Ah ok, I was wondering why it was marked "Metal". I was aware of the fact, that this was not wood. But this only refers to the ring, doesn't it? The case is still 18kt gold? |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
Case is gold, or at least the hallmark looks genuine. Just bear in mind that not all gold cases are created equal - sometimes the gold is very thin so you have to go by weight to determine gold content. |
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| Author: | alingher [ Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
So, now I have confronted the seller with this findings. He says: - it's actually a Venus 175 movement - it's called antimagnetique because there is an additional metal base under the base for an antimagnetic field. - this case cannot be a Chronograph Suisse case, because the have not used Venus movements and therefore the pushers would not be at the right place. He says I can withdraw from the buy if I want to, but now I am not sure, anymore. What do you reckon? |
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| Author: | vintage [ Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
alingher wrote: So, now I have confronted the seller with this findings. He says: - it's actually a Venus 175 movement - it's called antimagnetique because there is an additional metal base under the base for an antimagnetic field. - this case cannot be a Chronograph Suisse case, because the have not used Venus movements and therefore the pushers would not be at the right place. He says I can withdraw from the buy if I want to, but now I am not sure, anymore. What do you reckon? Pretty strange. The Venus 175 is a two register movement and he even describes it as a Venus 178 in the ad, which is a three register movement. I'd walk away from this one given the opportunity. |
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breitling Tri-Compax ?? |
vintage wrote: I'd walk away from this one given the opportunity. +1 |
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