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Author:  mrcheatle [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Casey Anthony Verdict
Anyone else find this hard to believe?
Author:  unixshrk [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casey Anthony Verdict
OJ Part 2
Author:  sharkman [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casey Anthony Verdict
Ah yes, the Nancy Grace cause de jour. She is wonderful on emotion and stirring the pot. The public perception of this trial was more about Nancy Grace and her opinions than it was about any direct evidence, and Nasty Nancy tried the case long before it began. Tried, convicted, and sentenced by a hack cable news “star” of dubious legal experience.

So no one is going to want to hear this, but it is exceedingly, remarkably, overwhelmingly rare that anyone gets convicted of murder without any direct physical or eye witness evidence linking the person to the crime scene. But you wouldn’t know that if you get your info from Nancy Grace.

My 20 year old daughter put it best to me last night – “That angry blonde lady who only cares about missing white kids.”

OK, fire away.
Author:  Drtymrtini [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Casey Anthony Verdict
sharkman wrote:
....but it is exceedingly, remarkably, overwhelmingly rare that anyone gets convicted of murder without any direct physical or eye witness evidence linking the person to the crime scene.


I'd be curious as to how you came up with that comment because people get convicted of crimes with less evidence all the time.

Initially, I too was flabbergasted. But as I watched a few news programs, there was one interview with Mark Garagos that I found particularly interesting (and credible) and I tended to agree with a lot of what he said. There wasn't necessarily a "lack of evidence" so much as there was a prosecution that was asking for too much...i.e. asking for the death penalty in a case of circumstantial evidence was the wrong approach. Casey Anthony's lawyers didn't have to prove she was innocent. All they had to do was prove that she didn't deserve the death penalty to the jury and that's exactly what they did.

Had they prosecuted Casey for voluntary manslaughter, in combination of the other charges, she most likely would have been in jail for the rest of her life.
Author:  carljones11 [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Casey Anthony Verdict
sharkman wrote:
Ah yes, the Nancy Grace cause de jour. She is wonderful on emotion and stirring the pot. The public perception of this trial was more about Nancy Grace and her opinions than it was about any direct evidence, and Nasty Nancy tried the case long before it began. Tried, convicted, and sentenced by a hack cable news “star” of dubious legal experience.

So no one is going to want to hear this, but it is exceedingly, remarkably, overwhelmingly rare that anyone gets convicted of murder without any direct physical or eye witness evidence linking the person to the crime scene. But you wouldn’t know that if you get your info from Nancy Grace.

My 20 year old daughter put it best to me last night – “That angry blonde lady who only cares about missing white kids.”

OK, fire away.


I wonder if N. Grace was who the Defense was talking about after the trial :)

AS I see a high profile trial like this & OJ as examples, I'm reminded of Thomas Jefferson discussing our new justice system, "I would rather free 100 guilty than convict 1 innocent". Me thinks a defendant like Casey Anthony will meet the justice system again, much as OJ has done.
Author:  mfserge [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Casey Anthony Verdict
I started a thread on this top yesterday when I heard the verdict but I didn't click submit because I had a feeling it would cause some emotional or heated responses. Unless you have direct knowledge of the case or unless you were sitting in the court room for the entire trial, your opinions will be just that, OPINIONS, which are most likely swayed by what you have heard or read in the media...and we all know the picture that the media has painted.

I don't have an opinion but it's very sad that a child is gone and we'll never know the truth.
Author:  sharkman [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Casey Anthony Verdict
Drtymrtini wrote:
sharkman wrote:
....but it is exceedingly, remarkably, overwhelmingly rare that anyone gets convicted of murder without any direct physical or eye witness evidence linking the person to the crime scene.


I'd be curious as to how you came up with that comment because people get convicted of crimes with less evidence all the time.



28 years of practicing law and 2 semesters taking Criminal law from the man who wrote the casebook every law student uses, Wayne LaFave.

Even the lead prosecutor was interviewed yesterday morning and admitted they didn't have any evidence but hoped the emotional evidence they put on would sway the jury to overlook that lack of such a significant thing - evidence, either direct of circumstantial, linking her to the actual crime. I did watch the closing arguments and found the prosecutions to be embarrasing. Seems the jury knew the gravity of what they had to do as two jurors could not even look at the prosecutor. That usually means they are pissed to be put in the position of doing something the law demands but they do not want to do.

People do get convicted on less, but those convictions do not pass appellate muster if properly appealed. Circumstantial evidence is fine, but all they had was evidence suggesting her behavior before and after made her look like she did it.

My heart bleeds for a little child and the family remaining (not the defendant, just so we are clear, and not any more than it bleeds for the thousands of other young children missing every year, especially the ones Nancy won't champion because they won't sell commercial time). And also for the jury. They took the box in that case and swore an oath to God and country to decide a case on the evidence and not to be swayed by prejudice and emotion. They were told they could not guess about any fact. Then the prosecution gave them nothing but emotion and speculation. They did what their oaths required. Now they are being vilified.

No one wins, everyone loses.
Author:  Drtymrtini [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casey Anthony Verdict
sharkman wrote:
No one wins, everyone loses.


Totally agree - but still stick by Mark Garagos' assesment that the prosecution reached too far. If they didn't ask for the death penalty, I believe Casey would be spending a verrrry long time in jail.
Author:  sharkman [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Casey Anthony Verdict
Drtymrtini wrote:
sharkman wrote:
No one wins, everyone loses.


Totally agree - but still stick by Mark Garagos' assesment that the prosecution reached too far. If they didn't ask for the death penalty, I believe Casey would be spending a verrrry long time in jail.



It's quite possible. You prosecute first degree and you better have more than bizarre pre and post crime behavior.

The prosecution went full monty with little dicks. Never a good idea.
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