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Author:  Polenzo [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:21 am ]
Post subject:  Jacko - Genius or mad as a box of Frogs ?
Following last weeks news I was wondering how everyone views this "so called" tragedy and great loss to the pop world.
Having listened to many radio talk shows on the subject in the last few days - I must say opinions vary vastly and although I personally couldnt stand him or his music I recognise that he was also very popular and possibly the most famous papstar on the planet. This may be a controversial subject but I am very curious...........
Author:  Driver8 [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko ? Genius or mad as a box of Frogs
Polenzo wrote:
Following last weeks news I was wondering how everyone views this "so called" tragedy and great loss to the pop world.
Having listened to many radio talk shows on the subject in the last few days - I must say opinions vary vastly and although I personally couldnt stand him or his music I recognise that he was also very popular and possibly the most famous papstar on the planet. This may be a controversial subject but I am very curious...........

Personally I don't think there is anything "so called" about it : any premature death is a tragedy in my opinion, and especially someone with kids.

I think the guy was a genius, but unfortunately genius and eccentricity (sadly sometimes to the point of madness) tread a very fine line with one another. Whether you like the music or not, I don't think anyone will dispute that the guy was totally unique in everything he did. And when all's said and done, you don't get to make an album that sells 65 million copies by being crap. Sure he was incredibly eccentric, and if it wasn't for the money and his musical abilities he'd probably have been sectioned, but then a lifetime (and I mean a lifetime in his case) lived in the spotlight with more money than you should ever be able to spend, surrounded by adoring fans and sycophantic yes-men, will undoubtedly take it's toll.

Without raking up his much publicised court cases, I personally don't think he had a malicious bone in his body.

I saw him in concert in London close on 17 years ago, and it was (and still is) the most incredible show I've ever seen..... and I've seen quite a lot of concerts and gigs over the years.

Rest In Peace, I say.
Author:  mightynimrod [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko ? Genius or mad as a box of Frogs
I liked some of his music, undoubtedly he was a talent that was unique to the music industry.

That said, i thought he was truly barmy - anyone that was thrust into the limelight at such an early age is going to have problems, usually narcotics/drink e.t.c al-la drew barrymore - macauley caulkin.

As an adult, he could've sent his life in any direction he chose - instead it was the wierd side that took over (running around with children - drastically changing his skin/features, creating false marriages e.t.c).

Lets not forget......he CHOSE to do the things he did, no one forced him.

So, to sum up my feelings - musical genious.....no doubt....... but yes Rob, old "M.J" was completely and utterly hatstand.

In my opinion.
Author:  BoneDoc [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko ? Genius or mad as a box of Frogs
Bouncing on the springboard of genius only to have it break and plunge him into the deep ends of madness!
I do not mean to offend (this time) but there is a special place in hell for child molesters. No one, I do not care how wealthy, pays $80 million to someone who accuses you of being a pedophile, to shut up and go away unless it is true. If any of you here would be publicly accused of that I would argue that none would pay ANYTHING. Not one penny, until that accuser had been completely discredited. He chose to pay $80 million for him to shut up and just go away quietly. Sorry. While any early death is tragic, he now is in a better place as the devil's anal Q-tip. Image
(I have VERY strong opinions about child molesters!)
Rant over, sorry. Back to my cage. :| Image
Author:  mightynimrod [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko ? Genius or mad as a box of Frogs
BoneDoc wrote:
Bouncing on the springboard of genius only to have it break and plunge him into the deep ends of madness!
I do not mean to offend (this time) but there is a special place in hell for child molesters. No one, I do not care how wealthy, pays $30 million to someone who accuses you of being a pedophile, to shut up and go away unless it is true. If any of you here would be publicly accused of that I would argue that none would pay ANYTHING. Not one penny, until that accuser had been completely discredited. He chose to pay $30 million for him to shut up and just go away quietly. Sorry. While any early death is tragic, he now is in a better place as the devil's anal Q-tip. Image
(I have VERY strong opinions about child molesters!)
Rant over, sorry. Back to my cage. :| Image



It was actually $80m

:yeahthat
Author:  Polenzo [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko ? Genius or mad as a box of Frogs
BoneDoc wrote:
Bouncing on the springboard of genius only to have it break and plunge him into the deep ends of madness!
I do not mean to offend (this time) but there is a special place in hell for child molesters. No one, I do not care how wealthy, pays $30 million to someone who accuses you of being a pedophile, to shut up and go away unless it is true. If any of you here would be publicly accused of that I would argue that none would pay ANYTHING. Not one penny, until that accuser had been completely discredited. He chose to pay $30 million for him to shut up and just go away quietly. Sorry. While any early death is tragic, he now is in a better place as the devil's anal Q-tip. Image
(I have VERY strong opinions about child molesters!)
Rant over, sorry. Back to my cage. :| Image


:yeahthat Dead Right Doc
Author:  Driver8 [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko ? Genius or mad as a box of Frogs
BoneDoc wrote:
Bouncing on the springboard of genius only to have it break and plunge him into the deep ends of madness!
I do not mean to offend (this time) but there is a special place in hell for child molesters. No one, I do not care how wealthy, pays $30 million to someone who accuses you of being a pedophile, to shut up and go away unless it is true. If any of you here would be publicly accused of that I would argue that none would pay ANYTHING. Not one penny, until that accuser had been completely discredited. He chose to pay $30 million for him to shut up and just go away quietly. Sorry. While any early death is tragic, he now is in a better place as the devil's anal Q-tip. Image
(I have VERY strong opinions about child molesters!)
Rant over, sorry. Back to my cage. :| Image

I completely and utterly agree with you about child molesters, Doc. Absolutely 100%. They should all rot in Satan's cesspit. No question AT ALL.

BUT, I personally don't think Jackson was. I think he was basically still a child himself trapped in a man's body. I think he had a lot of psychological issues (of that there can be no doubt whatsoever) and I think he was clearly happiest living his adult life as a child. And to him that meant pyjama parties, and it was probably (in his mind at least) completely innocent.

I think the reason he paid up was because his legal advisors and "money-men" could see how tough it would be to defend against, given that he was a grown man who's best friends were children. That and the fact that all his other bizarre behaviours would come out in any court case. They were protecting their meal ticket by advising him to pay up..... and obviously Jackson had been incredibly foolish to put himself in such a situation, no matter how innocent it was.

Having said that, IF he actually WAS a child molester, then I completely agree that hell would be WAY too good for him. But I guess we'll never know for sure. It's all just people's opinions at the end of the day now......

I still think the guy was a musical genius though.
Author:  UA_Plumber [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko ? Genius or mad as a box of Frogs
Driver8 wrote:
I still think the guy was a musical genius though.


Sorry, Can't get by the fact he was a child molester.
Author:  mightynimrod [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko ? Genius or mad as a box of Frogs
Hmmm i wonder how many people can get past Gary Glitters history given that he was a 70's pop icon???
Author:  BoneDoc [ Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko ? Genius or mad as a box of Frogs
mightynimrod wrote:
BoneDoc wrote:
Bouncing on the springboard of genius only to have it break and plunge him into the deep ends of madness!
I do not mean to offend (this time) but there is a special place in hell for child molesters. No one, I do not care how wealthy, pays $30 million to someone who accuses you of being a pedophile, to shut up and go away unless it is true. If any of you here would be publicly accused of that I would argue that none would pay ANYTHING. Not one penny, until that accuser had been completely discredited. He chose to pay $30 million for him to shut up and just go away quietly. Sorry. While any early death is tragic, he now is in a better place as the devil's anal Q-tip. Image
(I have VERY strong opinions about child molesters!)
Rant over, sorry. Back to my cage. :| Image



It was actually $80m

:yeahthat

Thanks. Post edited. Point more emphatic then.
Author:  alex** [ Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko ? Genius or mad as a box of Frogs
Driver8 wrote:
BoneDoc wrote:
Bouncing on the springboard of genius only to have it break and plunge him into the deep ends of madness!
I do not mean to offend (this time) but there is a special place in hell for child molesters. No one, I do not care how wealthy, pays $30 million to someone who accuses you of being a pedophile, to shut up and go away unless it is true. If any of you here would be publicly accused of that I would argue that none would pay ANYTHING. Not one penny, until that accuser had been completely discredited. He chose to pay $30 million for him to shut up and just go away quietly. Sorry. While any early death is tragic, he now is in a better place as the devil's anal Q-tip. Image
(I have VERY strong opinions about child molesters!)
Rant over, sorry. Back to my cage. :| Image

I completely and utterly agree with you about child molesters, Doc. Absolutely 100%. They should all rot in Satan's cesspit. No question AT ALL.

BUT, I personally don't think Jackson was. I think he was basically still a child himself trapped in a man's body. I think he had a lot of psychological issues (of that there can be no doubt whatsoever) and I think he was clearly happiest living his adult life as a child. And to him that meant pyjama parties, and it was probably (in his mind at least) completely innocent.

I think the reason he paid up was because his legal advisors and "money-men" could see how tough it would be to defend against, given that he was a grown man who's best friends were children. That and the fact that all his other bizarre behaviours would come out in any court case. They were protecting their meal ticket by advising him to pay up..... and obviously Jackson had been incredibly foolish to put himself in such a situation, no matter how innocent it was.

Having said that, IF he actually WAS a child molester, then I completely agree that hell would be WAY too good for him. But I guess we'll never know for sure. It's all just people's opinions at the end of the day now......

I still think the guy was a musical genius though.


wow feel like i wrote that, that is exactly my opinion also.
Author:  Jerome [ Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko - Genius or mad as a box of Frogs ?
Musical genius and was certainly the best at what he did. As for his personal life...or what we see of it... I care not to judge.
Author:  Alinfrance [ Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko - Genius or mad as a box of Frogs ?
Small point but when was MJ convicted of this child molestation too many judges out there I think
Author:  sonyman [ Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko - Genius or mad as a box of Frogs ?
I agree with some of what has been said but completley disagree with others I suppose thats what makes this board so great.

the actual figure was $20million and I agree that he was advised to do that by his advisors.

Look at this another way for a second if your child was abused by a grown man would you accept any money to walk away,I wouldnt I would go after that person and probably kill them or attempt to at least,what does it say about the parents of Jordi Chandler that they are willing to accpet cash from the so called abuser of their child,I think that says more about them than it does about MJ and furthermore no one wanted to press charges ever against MJ why not if someone had abused you you would deffo want to see him charged,I honnestly belive that he was innocent and the charges were false I belive in his mind that he was a boy and didnt see anything wrong with sleeping in the same bed as children,Thats what I belive anyway and whilst I belive that MJ had some issues what sort of parent tries to make cash of their child as in his parents now they are coming accross as sickening money grabbers that no more deserve any money from his death than any of the leaches who have bled the man dry in the last few years.I hope they get nothing I saw in the Martn Bashir documentary that his dad was willing to sell stories on MJ for cash what a sick disgusting man does that to their child and now MJ has gone he sees $$$ signs in his eyes makes you feel sorry for MJ no wonder he didnt speak to or see his parnets for years at a time.

One thing you cannot deny no one ever again in 10 lifetimes will sell the ammount of records than MJ did he was the last true great superstar.And his death is something to be mourned I once met MJ at a concert for the Dangerous tour in Glassgow Green.
Author:  Jerome [ Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jacko - Genius or mad as a box of Frogs ?
I spent 3 months as a Juror and until you hear all the facts one shouldn't be so quick to draw conclusions because what is presented in the media and actual facts is often two entirely different things. Unfortunately too many are affected by the bandwagon effect or herd mentality.

Sonyman, Its funny you never hear or see in the media it taken from the point of view you presented. There isn't enough money in this world to pay me off for something like that especially if I was so convinced that it was true. Dont get me wrong the guy had more than his fair share of issues but one should be judged on the facts and not on his character.
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