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Somewhere in Appalachia right now, kids are sitting in the dirt eating squirrel belly stew, dreaming not of a PlayStation, but simply how wonderful life would be with a table....a real table. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Yeah, I'm sure a two-feet high, six-feet seven-inches long, avant-garde, bamboo console table is just what they need.

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Can get a bunch of bowls of squirel stew on a table like that.

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That's why I don't use CL, that site is full of conartists nut jobs. Just donate it for a tax write-off then everyone wins.

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That's why I don't use CL, that site is full of conartists nut jobs. Just donate it for a tax write-off then everyone wins.

Actually, the scam came through Penny Saver, but same difference I guess. If the current deal falls through, I see a call to Salvation Army in my future.
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That's a really cool table.

My wife received an email last summer requesting private yoga instruction from a foreigner summering in our area. My wife has NO advertisements as a yoga instructor. While she is certified and likely listed in some professional listing, she has never worked as an independent instructor. I felt really badly for her because she was so excited. After several email exchanges, she had set price, time, etc. It was all a scam - same as above.

After the whole story about his two sons who are footballers in Poland, working out details and pmt amount, here was his final reply:

I understood all you said and we are ready to work with your schedule. We will come to
your studio for the private class. and would be attending class twice a week depend on your time schedule.
Your price is ok, so forward your address so that i will instruct my agent in USA to send you the full payment by Money order. i want to book ahead. I would like to pay for the yoga now because i have other things to do with money when i arrive, and would not want anything that would make me change my mind as my family really want to get involved in this yoga class.Please include your Full name and address for the money order, Also send your phone number so that i will call you as soon as my agent mail out the money order to you.
Await your reply,

As soon as I saw money order and the name of the hotel his "agent" booked (which was closed), I had to break it to her :(

Sneaky...
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[/quote]Somewhere in Appalachia right now, kids are sitting in the dirt eating squirrel belly stew, dreaming not of a PlayStation, but simply how wonderful life would be with a table....a real table. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
My personal charity, Tables For Appalachia, stands by to take it off your hands. I'll send you a cashier's check and you can pay my non-profit - We Move Yo Stuff. They'll be right over.[/quote]

Hitting pretty close to home there Tom, my family is from the Appalachian range...
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czar wrote:
That's a really cool table.

Thanks. I actually hate to get rid of it, because it looks great and is really well made. But it's mammoth for the confines of my house. It didn't look that big in the showroom, but then nothing ever does. I should have just sent it back. Instead, I've been stumbling over it for the last five years, and I've finally had it. Since listing my CSO, I felt like I was in the selling groove and decided to list it.

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I felt really badly for her because she was so excited. After several email exchanges, she had set price, time, etc. It was all a scam - same as above.

Man, that's a bummer. At least she wasn't out anything, though, other than some wasted anticipation. The e-mails I received didn't have a big song and dance. I think a convoluted story would have tipped me off more. He just said he wanted the table, and had movers for it. The wiring struck me as odd, but I decided to see where it went. I once sold a piano to a broker in New York who paid by cashier's check and had a local moving company come pick it up. Of course, he handled the details and didn't ask me to wire anything. Like I said, I feel a bit chagrined over this, but the fraud investigator at the bank said I didn't really fall for it. Actually wiring the cash is what would have screwed me.

Oh well...compared to the tragedy in Norway, this is a Sunday picnic.
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Somewhere in Appalachia right now, kids are sitting in the dirt eating squirrel belly stew, dreaming not of a PlayStation, but simply how wonderful life would be with a table....a real table. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
My personal charity, Tables For Appalachia, stands by to take it off your hands. I'll send you a cashier's check and you can pay my non-profit - We Move Yo Stuff. They'll be right over.[/quote]

Hitting pretty close to home there Tom, my family is from the Appalachian range...
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That's exactly what I mean. For the love of God that little girl needs a table!

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That's exactly what I mean. For the love of God that little girl needs a table!

You're being a little melodramatic, don't you think? I mean, she's got a perfectly good Ford she can eat off of.
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On a more serious note, here's a detailed description of the scam from the Internet Crime Complaint Center. I'm startled to find out that even when the funds "clear," they may not have really cleared. I will say, though, that if I'd been fed some line about one dude owing another dude money, and second said dude was located outside the country, I would have said no from the start.

Edit: on another note, this guy sent the check to me FedEx overnight. Since I'm not going through with the deal, he's out the money for sending the check. I can take a little solace knowing the d-bag is actually out more money on the deal than I am.
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Counterfeit Cashier's Check

The counterfeit cashier's check scheme targets individuals that use Internet classified advertisements to sell merchandise. Typically, an interested party located outside the United States contacts a seller. The seller is told that the buyer has an associate in the United States that owes him money. As such, he will have the associate send the seller a cashier's check for the amount owed to the buyer.

The amount of the cashier's check will be thousands of dollars more than the price of the merchandise and the seller is told the excess amount will be used to pay the shipping costs associated with getting the merchandise to his location. The seller is instructed to deposit the check, and as soon as it clears, to wire the excess funds back to the buyer or to another associate identified as a shipping agent. In most instances, the money is sent to locations in West Africa (Nigeria).

Because a cashier's check is used, a bank will typically release the funds immediately, or after a one or two day hold. Falsely believing the check has cleared, the seller wires the money as instructed.

In some cases, the buyer is able to convince the seller that some circumstance has arisen that necessitates the cancellation of the sale, and is successful in conning the victim into sending the remainder of the money. Shortly thereafter, the victim's bank notifies him that the check was fraudulent, and the bank is holding the victim responsible for the full amount of the check.
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Good call Jackson... had a similar call a few years back... dad was selling his Range Rover, some dude concocted a fancy story about shipping the car to Alaska and wanted to "overpay" me for the shipping costs... Told him I would wait until the check would FULLY CLEAR as in about 7-10 days and then the car would be shipped... never got a reply back... plus what kind of person would not want to do a bit of haggling before settling on the price???? he took the offer stated on the listing with no questions asked... most of the time I sell something, someone always wants to negotiate first... :roll: that part raised a red flag for me...

the old saying... if it's too good to be true...

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Good to stay alert Jackson.

Something similar happened to me when I was selling my daughter's PlayStation. Was proposed a check from a US buyer with three times the selling price on the condition that I send the PlayStation to Nigeria. Just the mention of that country was enough to tip me off though. The "buyer" tried calling back two or three times, then abandoned and looked for another pigeon.

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The second buyer just came by this morning to pick up the table. Super nice guy, clearly happy to get getting it. He paid in advance via PayPal, and sent it as a personal transfer so it wasn't subject either to fees or buyer protection. Sometimes going CL can work; I guess you just have to be prepared to wade through a lot of sewage to find the right buyer.

Speaking of sewage, I haven't heard back yet from the scammer. I'm expecting an e-mail one of these days inquiring if I ever got the check.
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JacksonStone wrote:
The second buyer just came by this morning to pick up the table.


And the first serious one. :wink: :)

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