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I own a Rolex subc LN, LV and a GMT BLNR all of which were purchased below retail. The LN was grabbed at 22% off. So the myth that Rolex doesn’t discount is bullshit. Also al pieces were bought from an AD


Recently?

I'd be highly surprised if it was recent.

Of the 4 Rolexes I've bought (going back to 2007) all have been from AD's, in cash, and at RRP. Even back in 2007 the concept of a discount from AD here in the UK was unheard of. I heard they wouldn't even offer interest free credit on Rolexes, even back then.
The BLNR was purchased about two years ago and was grabbed with more than a10% discount. I will admit as of late this would be very difficult. But if I really pushed I should be able to find most things at retail with the exception of SS Daytona’s.


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I'd be highly surprised if it was recent.

Of the 4 Rolexes I've bought (going back to 2007) all have been from AD's, in cash, and at RRP. Even back in 2007 the concept of a discount from AD here in the UK was unheard of. I heard they wouldn't even offer interest free credit on Rolexes, even back then.
The BLNR was purchased about two years ago and was grabbed with more than a10% discount. I will admit as of late this would be very difficult. But if I really pushed I should be able to find most things at retail with the exception of SS Daytona’s.

Wow! I've been using the same AD for over 20 years now (and purchased a ton of other watches from them in that time) and I know them pretty well, but I've been waiting for a GMT Pepsi for just over a year now. I was told to expect one this April just gone, but the C-19 Rolex shut-down kind of put paid to that. I've never managed a discount on a Rolex in all that time. :?

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I'd be highly surprised if it was recent.

Of the 4 Rolexes I've bought (going back to 2007) all have been from AD's, in cash, and at RRP. Even back in 2007 the concept of a discount from AD here in the UK was unheard of. I heard they wouldn't even offer interest free credit on Rolexes, even back then.
The BLNR was purchased about two years ago and was grabbed with more than a10% discount. I will admit as of late this would be very difficult. But if I really pushed I should be able to find most things at retail with the exception of SS Daytona’s.

Wow! I've been using the same AD for over 20 years now (and purchased a ton of other watches from them in that time) and I know them pretty well, but I've been waiting for a GMT Pepsi for just over a year now. I was told to expect one this April just gone, but the C-19 Rolex shut-down kind of put paid to that. I've never managed a discount on a Rolex in all that time. :?
Driver in the UK I have heard discounts are next to impossible. I’m here in Canada on the west coast and I think I have done quite well. But then discounts are not exclusive to me. They have been given to most consumers out here. The BLRO is harder to get than the BLNR and that would not come way for a discount. That said though if I pushed hard enough I probably could have one at retail within the year.


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Driver8 wrote:
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I'd be highly surprised if it was recent.

Of the 4 Rolexes I've bought (going back to 2007) all have been from AD's, in cash, and at RRP. Even back in 2007 the concept of a discount from AD here in the UK was unheard of. I heard they wouldn't even offer interest free credit on Rolexes, even back then.
The BLNR was purchased about two years ago and was grabbed with more than a10% discount. I will admit as of late this would be very difficult. But if I really pushed I should be able to find most things at retail with the exception of SS Daytona’s.

Wow! I've been using the same AD for over 20 years now (and purchased a ton of other watches from them in that time) and I know them pretty well, but I've been waiting for a GMT Pepsi for just over a year now. I was told to expect one this April just gone, but the C-19 Rolex shut-down kind of put paid to that. I've never managed a discount on a Rolex in all that time. :?


I love that watch too...makes me mad b/c I believe they could release a couple more if they wanted. Plus there are plenty of them in the Grey Market if we wanted to pay $16,375...You know how many more/different versions of the Navitimer I can buy for that!!!? :D :D :D

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The BLNR was purchased about two years ago and was grabbed with more than a10% discount. I will admit as of late this would be very difficult. But if I really pushed I should be able to find most things at retail with the exception of SS Daytona’s.

Wow! I've been using the same AD for over 20 years now (and purchased a ton of other watches from them in that time) and I know them pretty well, but I've been waiting for a GMT Pepsi for just over a year now. I was told to expect one this April just gone, but the C-19 Rolex shut-down kind of put paid to that. I've never managed a discount on a Rolex in all that time. :?


I love that watch too...makes me mad b/c I believe they could release a couple more if they wanted. Plus there are plenty of them in the Grey Market if we wanted to pay $16,375...You know how many more/different versions of the Navitimer I can buy for that!!!? :D :D :D

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Agreed. Rolex artificially controls the supply. And there is no way I’d pay over retail for these mass produced watches.

It will be interesting to see what happens here in the next few months as quite a few of the hot models are sitting idle at the grey dealers.


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Rolex artificially controls the supply. And there is no way I’d pay over retail for these mass produced watches.

Agreed 100%. I love Rolex's sports models, but RRP is more than enough for any Rolex. I don't remotely get the concept of paying grey market prices for something that may be "fairly hard to get hold of", but is actually produced in vast numbers. There's no shortage of them in the world - it's just people paying over the odds because they either can't wait and have to have it IMMEDIATELY, or they foolishly IMO think it's going to be 'an investment' (and while you may make a few pounds/dollars on one, we aren't exactly talking life-changing sums of money here!) that is fuelling it. And there ARE hundreds of these things available out there.

For example, as of today there are 328 Rolex 126710 BLRO's available on Chrono24. In contrast there are just 242 Breitling Seawolf's (and that's ALL variants!) currently available on there as well. No-one could remotely claim the Seawolf is a rare or hard to get hold of watch and yet there are almost a hundred less than the allegedly "super rare" Pepsi. The whole Rolex supply thing is totally artificial..... hence why I'm happy to pay RRP, and not a penny more.

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I think Breitling is among the top 5 watch brands out but compared to the Rolex brand it isn’t worth much. I have more Breitling watches in my collection.


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I wonder what Rolex would look like if Breitling's current management was in charge there... :poke: :roll:

I should add though even with the somewhat minor changes Rolex has made over the last 10 years or so they lost me...I am (sorry guys) not a fan of the new Submariner or the Explorer II. Why do things have to be bigger, chunkier to be "better" :|

I was a fan of the "classic" Rolex but thats mostly gone. Luckily for Rolex more people like the new direction than are like me.

My last one is the DJ 41 which I love dearly but took me a while...but its a keeper.
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Rolex artificially controls the supply. And there is no way I’d pay over retail for these mass produced watches.

Agreed 100%. I love Rolex's sports models, but RRP is more than enough for any Rolex. I don't remotely get the concept of paying grey market prices for something that may be "fairly hard to get hold of", but is actually produced in vast numbers. There's no shortage of them in the world - it's just people paying over the odds because they either can't wait and have to have it IMMEDIATELY, or they foolishly IMO think it's going to be 'an investment' (and while you may make a few pounds/dollars on one, we aren't exactly talking life-changing sums of money here!) that is fuelling it. And there ARE hundreds of these things available out there.

For example, as of today there are 328 Rolex 126710 BLRO's available on Chrono24. In contrast there are just 242 Breitling Seawolf's (and that's ALL variants!) currently available on there as well. No-one could remotely claim the Seawolf is a rare or hard to get hold of watch and yet there are almost a hundred less than the allegedly "super rare" Pepsi. The whole Rolex supply thing is totally artificial..... hence why I'm happy to pay RRP, and not a penny more.
Definitely no argument from me about any of the modern day Rolex watches being rare. Definitely more desirable but not rare.

I will admit I am somewhat new to the world of watch collecting. Have only been in it for about 12 years. What I can say is when I first got into watches the grail for me was a Breitling Bentley motors T. Having owned half a dozen or so models in the Bentley line what I ended up learning is that most of the Breitling line is just too big for my wrist. The sweet spot for me is between 38-40 mm. I think Rolex just does a better job of having models that fit most people.


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I don't know, I'm not really a watch collector (I've got a gaudy golden one for 90s bandits that I unfortunately got as a wedding gift, 2 old family heirlooms, and a Fossil one which is the only one I've bought by myself before my first Breitling watch), but I've always knew about Breitling as a brand, and about how they're doing high end watches. Which is why it's the company I looked into when looking for a pilot watch!


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Maybe poor after sales service and their lack of control over authorized service centers over the years have helped them to get to this place?


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In my opinion one of the greatest watches ever made is a Breitling. Mine is currently at BUSA for two very straight forward repairs. BUSA service/repair/aftersales is one possibility as to why the Brand is suffering. I will make a topic once my experience with this repair is concluded, detailing how it went. For what it's worth, I'm a watchmaker in the US. The other two big problems are as follows:

Breitling made some bad choices with design and size. The Bentley models, the super avengers, they were too big. Especially for such a shiney watch, it's not like a 47mm Pam submersible that is very utilitarian looking. The bents and avengers were full polished and iced out. Rappers were wearing them and for a bit they were the in thing. This didn't bring a reliable audience to the brand. None of us then would be shocked when the fad for oversized, overpolished, and overpriced watches died fast and no one showed for the funeral. Meanwhile, one display case over, Omega is somehow making another iteration of Planet Ocean that outdoes the previous.. ceramic bezel, in-house movement, display caseback with movement decoration so beautiful you want to wear the watch backwards. Another case over, you have TAG, running the same ETA movements, and striking a pretty good balance of size, asthetics and value. The Carrera and aquaracer line tend to maintain a consistently pleasing and handsome look.

The second problem is one that I see spreading more and more across their catalogue. The extinction of the watch bracelet. For me personally, I buy a watch that has a strong bracelet option. I can slap just about any rubber or leather band on it later. Take a cursory mental glimpse at two brands performance right now. Panerai and Rolex. One is tanking one is unobtanium. One offers little to no option for a bracelet, the other has the gold standard of bracelet designs available on 99.9% of their models. When you are buying a $5000+ luxury watch, do you want it made from the finest metals, or old moldy reclaimed fishing nets? What's next, sewer water scotch?


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When you are buying a $5000+ luxury watch, do you want it made from the finest metals, or old moldy reclaimed fishing nets? What's next, sewer water scotch?


As I just mentioned on another thread, don’t knock the econyl straps until you’ve tried them. I was never a fan until trying one on my Superocean and now I’m almost exclusively wearing it on either that or the rubber strap opposed to the mesh bracelet.

I can also say that the quality of the bracelets on my Breitlings is fantastic. While I wish they had an easy adjustment available like on my Submariner or Datejust 2, there are still micro adjustments in the clasp that allow for a perfect fit.

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