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Author:  ben [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:27 pm ]
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Hi all!

I am new here. Can you please let me have your opinion on which watch is/will be more collectible and worth:

Breitling Navitimer 01 (2010 Limited Edition of 2000 - first with 01 caliber)

or

Omega Speedmaster day date (2002 in red gold, M. Schumacher), caliber 1151, discontinued (replace with very similar model, now with caliber 3363 or so...)

I would like to opt for one, but cannot decide wich :(. Thanks

P.S. What about Maurice Lacroix masterpiece Phases de Lune (early edition, ref. 37757
movement: ML 37, MP6347-SS001-19E)
Author:  AlexUK [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:08 am ]
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Get the Breitling Navitimer they are the original pilots watch.
Google the history of the Navitimer. U will see why.
:lingsrock:

I have a Navitimer World and its a great watch
Author:  bozman52 [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:30 am ]
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First off, welcome to Breitlingsource! Regarding your question about future value, you should never let this be a reason for buying a watch. There are very few watches that hold any kind of noteworthy resale value . . . and the two you've mentioned are definitely not in that category. You may find some rare Rolexes or Patek Phillipes pieces that hold their value, but it's very uncommon. As far as "normal" watches go, I'd say that Rolex and Panerai hold their value best, but a second hand one will still be a considerably less than a new one. Buy a watch because YOU love it, not because of what it may or may not be worth in the future.

Regarding the two watches you listed, I would say the Navitimer 01 LE is more collectable. Again, that doesn't mean that it will hold its value, though. There have been a million different Speedmaster LEs over the years and you'd definitely have to find the right buyer for the Schumi edition. I'm a big F1 fan, but I'd never think of buying an F1 related LE.

The Navitimer is iconic and having the first one with Breitling's in-house movement is pretty special. I personally think the market is much larger for the Navi 01 LE than the Speedy Schumi LE.

Again, you should buy the one that YOU like best.
Author:  P51 [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:36 am ]
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Thats a real hard one. Both are favourites of mine. Not easy to make a recommendation. You got me.......
Author:  ben [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:59 am ]
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You are very much right, I agree. But since I find both of the watches great, and cannot decide which one, I thought maybe the prospect of future value (not only in term of money) and exceptionality should make my decision. That is why I search for more collectible and more valuable of both of them.

I agree with you 100%, I should buy a watch because I like it, I dream of it and I costantly glance to my hand to see it at any time of the day. But both of them go into this category :)
Author:  bozman52 [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:16 am ]
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Ben,

I just re-read your initial post and realized the Speedy you're looking at is in red gold. This one will hold more intrinsic value than the Navi simply because it's made of a precious metal. On the flip side, I believe the market for gold watches is smaller, as I see far fewer of them on this forum and in real life.

Either way, if I were faced with this decision, I would go with the Navi every time. However, I lusted after the Navi as a teenager and credit it with being the piece that brought me into the watch world. Thus, there is some sentimental value in the Navi for me . . . which is why I own one now :D
Author:  Driver8 [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:04 am ]
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I think Bozman has covered everything I'd say on this one too. :thumbsup: If it was my money I'd be picking up the Navi 01, no question.

Sure the red gold Speedy will always have a value in terms of it's gold content alone, but it will cost more to buy in the first place, plus as Bozman said, these Schumacher F1 models are very much a niche product, and even more so in the already slightly niche gold watch market. Bear in mind (if resale is a consideration) that Schumacher polarised opinion considerably during his time in the sport and that will undoubtedly affect people's desire to buy it should you ever look to sell. Personally I was huge Schumacher fan.... but I'd never want a watch with his name on it.

That said, buying into watches with one eye on resale value is just a hiding to nothing IMO. Buy a watch because you like it ; never because of what you think it will be worth in x years time...... you'll always be disappointed.
Author:  ben [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:50 am ]
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The content of gold is 35~40 grams (or less), so the price in term of gold content will be ~1000 euro or less. I think that the movement should fetch more, and it is sad if the gold only is the gainer in term of watch price (not the very watch).

A sole drawback in both cases is that they are just 30m WR. I have one old omega 300m, and once a month I wash the watch with soap, and is impeccable, which cannot done with those watches, and there will be always grease or dirt leftover, notwithstanding how good you wipe them.
Author:  bozman52 [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:04 am ]
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ben wrote:
A sole drawback in both cases is that they are just 30m WR. I have one old omega 300m, and once a month I wash the watch with soap, and is impeccable, which cannot done with those watches, and there will be always grease or dirt leftover, notwithstanding how good you wipe them.


I was also worried about this when I got my Navi. However, wiping it down with a damp (not wet) washcloth works really well. It's no trouble to get all the grime off and have it looking like new again.

You are correct about not washing them under running water with soap. I definitely wouldn't do that with either.
Author:  ben [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:43 am ]
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Author:  pspinc2003 [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:22 am ]
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ben wrote:
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good point.....
Author:  wessa [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:35 am ]
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ben wrote:
?...

Breitling Navitimer 01 (2010 Limited Edition of 2000 - first with 01 caliber)



First Navi or first Breitling with 01 caliber?
The Chronomal B01 was the first Breitling model launched with the 01 caliber.
Nevertheless, I'd be going for the Navi 01 LE ;-)

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Author:  nwalker001 [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:41 am ]
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Navitimer will likely be much more collectible, unless Breitling continues to release LE Navi 01 models.
Author:  ben [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:52 am ]
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Final argument that should prevail!

Breitling has power reserve of 72 hours vs. 44 at Omega. I do not want to wind my watch each monday after leving it on Friday, nor I want to buy a winding maschine. I will go for Navitimer. Omega is more freqent then Navitimer 01 LE, sold in only 2000 pcs.

Hope not wrong
Author:  Breitling Nut [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:49 pm ]
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Navi for sure and this is coming from a big Omega fan. You will have a MUCH easier time selling the Navi than that Speedy. The Navitimer is a timeless piece (as is the Speedy but IMO, not in the configuration you want). The Navi can have totally different looks with various straps and on a bracelet.
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