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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:51 am 
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Gentleman,

Can I ask you to don your Deerstalkers, resin up your bow (and even take a snort) as I ask you to investigate the The Case of the Mystery Chapter Rings?

Recently searching for a replacement Chapter ring for a Navitimer 806 I have refurbished, I managed to acquire 6 other Chapter Rings from a Jeweller - he had no idea which models they were from, and I'm in the same boat. I had the original Chapter ring on my 806 refurbished, but I'm left with these, and I'd like to know what models they belong to?

Dr Watson will be taking notes (no doubt to sensationalise at a later date), so any information would be gratefully received! Tea and Scones will be served by Mrs Hudson at the Baker Street apartment for useful informants. Inspector Lestrade will 'entertain' less salubrious characters at the Yard.

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First up, I think this IS from an 806, but it's different to the one I have. It's 39mm, with a steel serrated underside:

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Number two is smaller, 30mm across, with numbers on the top and inside parts. Flat steel base.
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Number 3 is 28mm, a Black metal Tacyhmetre scale:
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Number 4 is similarly sized at around 28mm, white plastic, scale on inner:
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Number 5 is a white on metal 'Telemetre' scale, with numbers and a directional arrow - this is 36mm across:
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And finally, number 6 - an all steel ring, numbers on top and insides, flat base, 30mm
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:45 am 
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I can only guess that Fred has a Friday afternoon appointment as it can not be taking him more than 30 min to study his notes :-)

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1 is from a Bentley by the looks of it.
5 is from an early Chronomat

Need to think on the others.

Edit - Chrono Sextant for #4 maybe - guessing a bit, but tachymetre scales without tachymetre written on them aren't common, and maybe that would make #3 Chrono Cockpit???????


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I got mine in yesterday from the same seller. I bought the only one I could quickly recognize for a Navitimer ref 7806.

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1 is from a Bentley by the looks of it.
5 is from an early Chronomat


Hi Roff,

Should that be " '6' is from an early Chronomat"?

'1' seems to be standard on a lot of Bentleys (6.75/GT/Motors and others) - excellent.

'3' looks spot on for the Chrono Cockpit.

'4' looks right for the Chrono Sextant too!

So 2 and 5 are still to be identified. The tea is ready, but the scones may need a little more...

Seriously, thanks so much for the info so far :bow:

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1 is from a Bentley by the looks of it.
5 is from an early Chronomat


Hi Roff,

Should that be " '6' is from an early Chronomat"?

'1' seems to be standard on a lot of Bentleys (6.75/GT/Motors and others) - excellent.

'3' looks spot on for the Chrono Cockpit.

'4' looks right for the Chrono Sextant too!

So 2 and 5 are still to be identified. The tea is ready, but the scones may need a little more...

Seriously, thanks so much for the info so far :bow:

Mike



No #5 - early Chronomat as in 1940s / 50s, not as in 1980s.

2 and 6 are Chronomat / Windrider style, but I can't think of any that have that shape and don't have the word tachymetre on the tach scale.


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I got mine in yesterday from the same seller. I bought the only one I could quickly recognize for a Navitimer ref 7806.


Nice one Paul,

I just grabbed another, for a late Chronomat (a13352). I wonder how many more he'll turn up??

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No #5 - early Chronomat as in 1940s / 50s, not as in 1980s.


Oh, gotcha. Where would I be able to follow up on this?

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2 and 6 are Chronomat / Windrider style, but I can't think of any that have that shape and don't have the word tachymetre on the tach scale.


I think '6' might be this one - http://www.breitlingsource.com/watch_de ... er_73.html - an early, modern Chronomat (81950, A13048), that doesn't seem to have the 'Tachymetre' wording.

What do you think?

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No #5 - early Chronomat as in 1940s / 50s, not as in 1980s.


Oh, gotcha. Where would I be able to follow up on this?

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2 and 6 are Chronomat / Windrider style, but I can't think of any that have that shape and don't have the word tachymetre on the tach scale.


I think '6' might be this one - http://www.breitlingsource.com/watch_de ... er_73.html - an early, modern Chronomat (81950, A13048), that doesn't seem to have the 'Tachymetre' wording.

What do you think?

Thanks again,

Mike


Ooooh, I could use the early Chronomat Mike. If you don't have a need for it let me know.

Paul

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This is probably a bit off topic, but if you guys are thinking of buying any scale rings in the future, I would recommend you always (wherever possible) buy the inner and outer rings at one time.
I realise this may also include the whole dial in some cases (which would be impractical) depending on the watch and model, but I think what I am trying to say here is; whenever you get an opportunity, to buy both, then do so. The only proviso is that you need to be sure they are a matched set. If not, then just buy the one you are after, as there is no advantage if they are not matched.

Given that these items are manufactured, en masse, there is always a chance of misalignment of the graduations when putting an unmatched scale back in to a watch. Scale for scale the frequency of misalignment is high and in some cases very noticeable.

Just a thought whilst you are answering the detective questions.

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Ooooh, I could use the early Chronomat Mike. If you don't have a need for it let me know.

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Hi Paul,

No problem mate. Number 5 as per my thread?

PM me your address, and I'll get it shipped out to you on Monday.

Cheers!

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Hi P51

Sage advice, Jim!

In this instance, it's a jeweller who's clearing out odd bits and pieces, and very much a case of grabbing anything that may be interesting. It's always a bit of a punt with this sort of thing, but someone, somewhere will probably find a use for it (see 'Vintage', above)!

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no 5 is not a 1940s 769, I'm afraid


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I think Fred's right Mike. I just did a rough measurement on the other 769 I have and it looks like around 29mm across the opening and 34mm across the outside but it's hard to get the exact measurment behind the crystal. Plus the numbers are all the same size on mine like the 1.9.


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Might be right on the early Chronomat - 2 and 6 both maybe.

After more study agree with Fred, 5 isn't a 769, but it has to be one of those Chronomat type pieces - larger size is confusing.


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