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I know there is a lot of discussion in the past about what people do regarding the servicing of their mechanical watches, including Breitlings. I know, from a technical point of view, they should be served every 5 years or so as the oil breaks down by that time regardless of useage. However, I suspect many owners do not have their watch(s) serviced every 5 years. I would be interested in what others do as I have a number of mechanical watches nearing that 5 year mark where technically they sould be serviced. Do most follow the 5 year rule or do you wait until there are signs that a service is needed?


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I know there is a lot of discussion in the past about what people do regarding the servicing of their mechanical watches, including Breitlings. I know, from a technical point of view, they should be served every 5 years or so as the oil breaks down by that time regardless of useage. However, I suspect many owners do not have their watch(s) serviced every 5 years. I would be interested in what others do as I have a number of mechanical watches nearing that 5 year mark where technically they sould be serviced. Do most follow the 5 year rule or do you wait until there are signs that a service is needed?

For me it depends on the watch. For my more expensive ones I follow a 3 to 5 year schedule irrespective, but for less expensive ones running standard ETAs I tend to wait until something indicates a service is needed, or around 10 years, whichever is sooner. My personal theory is that in order to run with a COSC level of accuracy (or close to COSC for non-chronometer watches), pretty much everything in the watch has to be running well. The tolerances are so fine that it wouldn't take much to start throwing the time off in some way. Excessive friction or wear IS going to affect the timekeeping so if the watch is ticking away quite happily and keeping good time, I will often leave it much longer than 5 years. Roff will say any watch needs servicing after 5 years, and he's quite correct as the oils DO break down over time, but to me some watches don't warrant the outlay. Besides if a watch is running a standard ETA and is not very expensive in the first place I will get it serviced by a local Rolex-trained watchsmith I know, so even dropping in a new movement wouldn't cost me the earth.

However like I say, my more expensive ones are regularly serviced by the manufacturer. I look on it like running a Ferrari and running a diesel tractor. Both need servicing, but the Ferrari is going to benefit from being serviced at Ferrari and far more often, while the tractor will probably be run until something stops working..... and then it'll be fixed by a guy in shed with a hammer! Different requirements.

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Well actually Roff will say that the watch will tell you when it needs servicing :lol: :wink:

The biggest reason for servicing is the lack of lubrication resulting in increased friction in multiple places causing reduced power reserve and less accurate time keeping. There are other issues as well - worn out springs for example, but these tend to cause less dramatic symptoms. Modern synthetic oils (virtually everybody uses synt-a-lube from the big guys to me) are much more resistant to aging than older oils, but they still break down on a predictable schedule. The exact impact will depend on the age of the oil when it was put into the watch - freshly opened bottle from a fresh batch or the last oil in the last bottle of the previous batch, the amount of oil used - the amounts are so tiny that a very small variation can have a profound effect, and the amountof any migration that has occurred. Add in any of the other variables and you can easily have a 2, 3, 4 or 5 year window. between the watch showing symptoms.

What I will say is that if he watch is telling you that it needs servicing then I won't run it further (even if you don't plan on having it serviced immediately). You wouldn't run a car with no oil and the analogy is similar - the watch may not seize but the arbors and pivots can wear badly and cause much more expensive repairs.


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Driver8 wrote:
For me it depends on the watch. For my more expensive ones I follow a 3 to 5 year schedule irrespective, but for less expensive ones running standard ETAs I tend to wait until something indicates a service is needed, or around 10 years, whichever is sooner.


I feel somewhat the same way. I have "collected" watches for a long time, but until I purchased my first Breitling 3 years ago, they were all quartz watches. Since then, I have purchased quite a number of mechanicals, but most are at the lower price range ($800.00 to 1600) all running standart ETA movements. So I am thinking that in 3 to 5 years I am going to be faced with some hefty maintenance bills sevicing all these mechanical watches if I follow the 5-6 year schedule !! I have to Breitlings which I will have serviced properly but agree that some of the others will have to wait until itis obviouse sevicing is required.

Has anywone though of trying to service say a 2824 themselves (not a Breitling but a watch of much lesser value). Think it would be fun to open one up and with the help of ETA's website, which gives a step by step walkthrough plus maybe some online instruction, try to service it myself. What's to lose as if I screw up badly I could always take to my local watch maker to put it back together again. Driver and Rolf, do you service any of your own watches?


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I work on vintage pocket watches, wouldn't dream of doing it with a decent wrist watch, especially a chronograph and wouldn't suggest it to any rookie without the proper tools and some practice.


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It seems like every 5-7 years is a good time for an overhaul, with gasket replacement and water tightness checks in between depending on if the watch sees frequent water usage. I personally don't think I'd go much over 6-7 years after hearing from Mark Heist and a few Breitling techs, and it sounds like if you are nearing the 5-7 year mark and the watch suddenly doesnt run as well that service may be due. It also sounds like that watches that sit in the same position for long periods of time (multiple months to a year+) may suffer from migration of the oil.


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How often should my watch be serviced?

Our main concern with most movements is that, when the synthetic oils dry up, the watch will continue to run. When running without lubrication, there is the probability of damage and wear to parts, resulting in the need for extensive (and more expensive) service. For older and out of production watches, usually our recommendation is for complete disassembly, clean, oil and adjustment of the movement to start. Subsequent service is completely individualized and depends on usage, type of watch and the environment. Rarely will we do any partial case or movement work unless we were the last to do a complete service. All timepieces are done individually, with the goal to bring the watch back to the best mechanical and aesthetic condition as possible.


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The following was taken from an article by David Christianson, and is found in January 1997 American Watchmaker’s Institute’s Horological Times publication.

“Historically, animal oils and vegetable oils have been the mainstay of horological lubricants. They can be refined and formulated to have many of the ideal properties of the perfect horological oil. But they have one serious drawback as well, they become rancid and dry up. This may be a serious drawback to the watch owner, but it certainly has been beneficial to watch repairmen and, as we’ll see in a moment, it has been beneficial to the watch movement as well.

When the animal and vegetable oils begin to deteriorate, they tend to thicken as they dry out, and the movement stops, long before any wear can take place because the thickened and dried oils still maintain a protective (albeit dried) film between metal surfaces. This forced the owner to have his watch cleaned and re-oiled on a regular and frequent basis, and with this frequent service the movement continued to perform its function with very little wear over very long periods of time. It is not unusual at all to find watch movements 100 and 200 years old that show very little wear.

In search for oils that would not deteriorate in a short period of time, synthetic oils were developed that would provide many of the properties of the ideal watch oil. About a generation ago synthetics replace animal oils as the oils of choice.

Synthetic watch oils do retain their properties longer and watch movements run longer without wear than did movements oiled with animal oils. But synthetic watch oils have their serious downside as well. There is not the thickening and caking of the oil to stop the movement and force the owner to have his watch serviced before wear can take place. Synthetic watch oils, too, deteriorate but instead of thickening they tend to become more liquid, spread and evaporate over time, especially the synthetics of the recent past. The significant of this type of deterioration is that the movement will continue to run even as the synthetic oil deteriorates and evaporates (albeit less efficiently). This will continue until pivots score, often to the point of breaking and brass bearing holes wear ovoid, aggravated by dust, dirt and rust particles from leaking case gaskets and more significantly, leaking crown gaskets. Unless the owner is disciplined with a regular and frequent service schedule (and most of us aren’t), it is the worn out movement that forces the owner to seek the servicing of the watch with a resultant extensive and expensive repair bill. The jewelled bearings and highly polished pivots and other bearing surfaces will allow the watch to run without oil but with resultant wear.

The secret to a long lived watch movement is frequent cleaning and oiling, just as in the past, but now more discipline is needed. The watch itself can not tell us when it needs servicing before it begins to wear out as the animal oils of the past allowed us to do.”

By David Christianson as published in the American Watchmaker Institute's January 1997 Horological Times


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