Which Breitling Watches Now Come With the In House Movement?
I have heard this mentioned a lot and as a bit of a novice I was hoping someone could explain what this means?
Thanks
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| Author: | simonmatthew [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | In House Movement |
Which Breitling Watches Now Come With the In House Movement? I have heard this mentioned a lot and as a bit of a novice I was hoping someone could explain what this means? Thanks
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| Author: | Nav01L [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
Hi, The in house movement is a movement Breitling has developed from start to finish for their watches. It's name is 01 and by now, it has a few declinations, as for instance the 04, 02 and if I'm not mistaken 05 movements which are based on it. Before the 01 and all along it's history, Breitling used to buy movements from other manufacturers, most of which have by now been integrated into a company called ETA, itself a part of the swatch group. ETA sells its movement to whomever will buy them, while Breitling doesn't sell the caliber 01 and it's brethren to anyone but itself. Hence, while many brands use calibers like the ETA 2892 or the like, the 01 can be found only in Breitlings. In that, the Caliber 01 is quite different from all the other (ETA) calibers Breitling used and still uses. That alone doesn't make it better or worse than the other movements in Breitlings lineup though. It's main advantage is that, unlike most of what comes from ETA, the 01 is rather modern and has integrated numerous useful innovations into Breitlings lineup. As to the first part of your question, you'll find the 01 movement in the Navitimer 01, the Montbrillant 01, most of the present day Chronomat line as well as in the Transocean Chrono and Unitime. |
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| Author: | simonmatthew [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
Thats great, Thanks. Might the Navitimer 01 be a good investment given that it is limited and the first Navitimer to receive the movement? Or is that me just being hopeful? |
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| Author: | Nav01L [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
The second I'm afraid, plus, while the Nav 01 was initially limited, it has been available in a regular non limited series ever since. The original Nav 01 Limited Edition is probably quite hard to get these days anyway, at least if you want a new one. I can only recommend you get a watch you like to own without thinking too much about resale when it comes to Breitling. If you're really after resale value... the brand with the crown might suit you better. |
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| Author: | Dr J [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
 He whom must not be named!
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| Author: | le_baron [ Fri May 31, 2013 10:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
does the transocean day-date come with an in house movement? |
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| Author: | Nav01L [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
le_baron wrote: does the transocean day-date come with an in house movement? Not that I know of... So far there's only inhouse chronographs. |
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| Author: | wessa [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
The Transocean Day-date comes with Caliber 45 movement which is an ETA 2834-2 based. Only Transocean Chrono, Unitime and the new GMT come equipped with the inhouse movements. |
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| Author: | wessa [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
Nav01L wrote: ... The original Nav 01 Limited Edition is probably quite hard to get these days anyway, at least if you want a new one. The original Nav 01 LE with black dial and silver subdials will probably be very hard to find new as Nav01 says. There were however two more Nav 01 LEs released more recently, a silver dial in 2000 pieces and a midnight blue in 500 pieces. The silver one is easier to find. All come with display backs. Again, as Nav01 says, get what you like most and don't think much of resale values, there is not much in it. For me it was the display back that made me go for the LE as I love display backs as I love to see what goes on inside even though nothing much happens, just me 
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| Author: | Racerdj [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
Forget the resale values! Enjoy the ownership instead! |
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| Author: | VicLeChic [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
Wondering if anyone have any reliability data comparing the in-house B01 to its ETA based predecessor B23? |
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| Author: | Driver8 [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
VicLeChic wrote: Wondering if anyone have any reliability data comparing the in-house B01 to its ETA based predecessor B23? It's too early to do any meaningful comparisons even if Breitling released any data concerning reliabilty/failure rate (which they don't). The Valjoux (ETA) 7753 ,which is what the B23 is based on, has been around since the early '70's, so there's been 40 years to iron out any issues. The B01 has only been around for a few years and still has a few minor teething issues, as evidenced by a number of owners here. |
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| Author: | P51 [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
Driver8 wrote: VicLeChic wrote: Wondering if anyone have any reliability data comparing the in-house B01 to its ETA based predecessor B23? It's too early to do any meaningful comparisons even if Breitling released any data concerning reliabilty/failure rate (which they don't. Yes, and it would appear the In House are more expensive to have serviced. Just when you thought it might be a cheaper proposition, bam right in the kisser! 
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| Author: | Roffensian [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
P51 wrote: Just when you thought it might be a cheaper proposition... Why would it be cheaper? Every manufacture has higher service costs for in house movements for very good reasons - fewer trained workers, more training costs, higher parts prices because they are produced in smaller quantities, etc, etc. |
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| Author: | P51 [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: In House Movement |
Quote: Why would it be cheaper? Why wouldn't it? Surely if you were going to make an In House movement, one of the benchmarks you would consider in your offer, would be costs. Servicing, or otherwise. Before designing any replacement movement you have the balance of on-going servicing costs to think about to any benefit an in house movement offers your customers. Smaller quantities and higher manufacturing costs as may be, you need to consider that juncture. The move to In House is inevitable, and good for them on taking steps towards this. The greater the range of watches you can fit with a home grown movement, the lower the unit price overall. So if you are starting with a movement with higher costs associated with it in the first place, then you may be hesitant to introduce that feature to your entire range. Are we seeing this at the moment? That keeps costs higher and defeats one of the aims for switching to IH. As good as IH is for your brand, you have to carefully match any increase costs. Neutrals good. 10% increase is OK, 15% is at the margin, but 30 - 50% is ridiculous. That becomes a leap of faith and is less likely to be palatable to all but the most hardened devotees. |
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