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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:36 pm 
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Hey guys,

What is the general concensus on this piece? I've always been attracted to the SOC config and style. I can't figure out why this is considered a lower end piece.

My local AD is offering a trade of my Avenger Skyland for a recently serviced SOC on pro2 (2006), white dial with blue sub dials. I like the SOC more, i just want to make sure its a fair trade.

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I am not an expert but I will throw my 2 cents in as I have both :) I recently got my SOC. I actually got it from a member here. From all my research the avg resale for a SOC in great condition is between 2000 - 2500 on bracelet with box and papers on various watch boards. Once in a while they will pop up below 2k but not that often. I found AD's to be slightly higher. The skyland I believe is worth more.

As I have both overall I go to my SOC as it is less bulky and more comfortable as a daily wearer.

Here Is a couple pics with croc and rubber to show you your options if you do not always want it on bracelet :) I hope this helps

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Interesting one. A friend of mine has one of these and I really like it (although not sure about contrasting subs).

I did always wonder why the list price was cheaper than the SA when it has an extra complication (day function). Maybe someone with greater knowledge of the brand can elaborate on this?

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I recently got one and went for a blue dial which is amazing and the silver subs look good, I was also not sure about the different coloured sub dials but really works with the blue and silver, very conform able watch

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Thanks for the info guys. The SOC the AD is offering did just recieve a service so i suppose that balances out the value somewhat.

About the price overall, it has the extra complication. But what about the really nice applied Breitling logo? And the B on the bottom of the main chrono arm? The the detail on the dial? And the screw down pushers?.

Aside from the bracelet, im Surprised it not priced up there with the chronomat. (valjoux based models)

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:00 am 
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I was going to post a picture of my CSO on brown croc, but I got beaten to the punch. If you like the watch I say go for it, especially freshly serviced. I have the same version you are considering with the white face and blue subs. It's a great watch and if you don't mind the thickness, I would imagine that you would like it.

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In terms of the watch head itself, there are a few details I can think of making the CSO lower end than a 7750-based Chronomat, although they're all fairly minor. The dial on some Evos had a bit more glitz, especially the ones with Arabic or Roman numerals. Also, the Chronomat rider tabs are screwed in, meaning they are interchangeable, whereas they are fixed on the CSO. The Chronomats also have a tachymetre ring (which, IMO, is both a pro and a con, since it adds to the busy look of the dial), and the bezel is one solid piece, whereas the CSO has a bezel insert. To accommodate the day window on the CSO, it was necessary to remove one of the lume indices at 2:00, which creates an asymmetrical lume pattern. The day indicator is a pretty nice addition, though, and one very few Breitlings have. Beyond that, there isn't a huge amount of difference in the finishing of the watch heads, and functionally to two are certainly on a par with each other.

If you are considering it on a bracelet, the CSO comes on a Pro bracelet (most recently Pro II, but older ones were on a Pro I), which isn't in the same league as the Pilot, used on the Chronomats. I was rather annoyed by the way the endpieces did not fit flush with the lugs, causing them to have a "buck tooth" appearance (see pic below); admittedly, some people aren't bothered by this at all. Also, the watch has the same thickness as the Evo, despite being 2mm narrower in diameter, which makes it pretty chunky in terms of proportion. That said, I still think it's a great watch, and certainly better than what they replaced it with.

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Good feedback and great pictures thanks guys.

I pulled the trigger and made the trade. This is an amazing watch and i am glowing with this thing on my wrist. I know what you mean about the proportions, but i like the effect.

I was initially thinking the 42mm diameter was too small for my wrist, but now i think its perfect and more classic / less trendy. I'm not a huge fan of breitlings latest design trending, but it could be that they are well ahead of the curve in style, and it will take time to soak.

This SOC is sure to be a classic!

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A question about winding the movement....when i unscrew the crown, and start to wind, i can rotate a half turn and hit a wall. I need to reverse and go forward again to charge the movement. Sometimes i can do full turns, sometimes i cant. Sound familiar? A protective mechanism?

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RVD wrote:
A question about winding the movement....when i unscrew the crown, and start to wind, i can rotate a half turn and hit a wall. I need to reverse and go forward again to charge the movement. Sometimes i can do full turns, sometimes i cant. Sound familiar? A protective mechanism?

That doesn't sound right to me. There should be no "wall," as it is not possible to overwind the B13 movement; hence, there is no need for a protective device to prevent winding. Perhaps someone else here can shed some light as to what that is all about, but ultimately it might warrant a trip back to your AD. Until then, don't force the crown; I would even advise you stop winding it at all until you can get more information as to what is going on.


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It sounds like a damaged keyless works, maybe the castle gear.


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Could that be the result of changing the day/date between 10pm and 2am?

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RVD wrote:
Could that be the result of changing the day/date between 10pm and 2am?



I don't see how. That would affect the date change mechanism because of clashing between the running train and the date wheel.


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RVD, I know it sucks, but I think you're going to need to take it back to the dealer and either make them fix it or offer you a refund, since the watch seemingly wasn't sold in the condition purported. (Only allow them to fix it if they're willing to send it to Breitling, or have a Breitling-authorized watchmaker on premises. No "generic" service.)

Also, it's a small point, but the name of your model is the Chrono SuperOcean (hence, "CSO"), not the SuperOcean Chrono. Breitling changed the name to the SuperOcean Chronograph II when they updated the style.


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Hey guys. Thanks for the feedback. I just checked the issue again. When i hold a slight outward pressure on the crown while rotating, it winds fine. When a rotate normally, which will have a slight inward pressure, i will get a full rotation, then it feels like threads catching and stops. I do notice a slight wobble in the crown to shaft.

Regardless im going to take it in. This is the risk of getting a pre owned watch!

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