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Author:  sharkman [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:31 pm ]
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Went to the AD over lunch to check out the possibility of two new releases - TO 1461 and Chronomat 44 GMT. Had never had a TO on the wrist. Tried one on and the dang lugs are so long, it is too big for me. Son of a buck.

Next, the Chronomat 44 on a strap to see how the new GMT might fit. AGAIN too long lug end to lug end. Son of a Bitch!

That takes both of my new "wannabuys" off the table. Looks like the only Breitling left with a chance for me is the Chronomat 41.

All in all, a rather disappointing watch day.............. :cry:
Author:  JacksonStone [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:42 pm ]
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sharkman wrote:
Had never had a TO on the wrist. Tried one on and the dang lugs are so long, it is too big for me. Son of a buck.

I wondered about those lugs - they do look awfully long in pictures, although I haven't tried one on yet.
Author:  Twotone540 [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:12 pm ]
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May I suggest something in a ROLEX....That will surely fit your pencil wrist.... :wink:
:idea: Or.....A nice COCKPIT... :?:
Author:  JustinFournier [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:17 pm ]
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Isn't there a measurement one can see to reference this? I'm slightly confused as to how they are too big, I am sure you owned a Blackbird, I wonder how different they can be.

The TO at 43mm shouldn't be much longer if at all than the Chronomat 44 or a Blackbird, I would guess in fact shorter... I'm surprised!
Author:  sharkman [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:20 pm ]
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TwoTone -

A. Bite me. :wink:

B. I've owned 5 Rolex and that is certainly one of two directions I'm leaning. The new 42mm Omega PO being the other.


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Author:  JacksonStone [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:26 pm ]
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JustinFournier wrote:
The TO at 43mm shouldn't be much longer if at all than the Chronomat 44 or a Blackbird, I would guess in fact shorter... I'm surprised!

Case diameter doesn't account for lug length. In fact, diameter measurement specifically excludes lug length, since it's typically measured from the edges of the case from 2 to 8 on the dial. It's entirely possible to have a shorter case diameter, but longer lugs, if that's how the manufacturer designed it.
Author:  JustinFournier [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:31 pm ]
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JacksonStone wrote:
JustinFournier wrote:
The TO at 43mm shouldn't be much longer if at all than the Chronomat 44 or a Blackbird, I would guess in fact shorter... I'm surprised!

Case diameter doesn't account for lug length. In fact, diameter measurement specifically excludes lug length, since it's typically measured from the edges of the case from 2 to 8 on the dial. It's entirely possible to have a shorter case diameter, but longer lugs, if that's how the manufacturer designed it.


I understand completely, but with both cases and bracelets having similar end link design, I wouldn't expect the Blackbird and the Chronomat 44 to differ much, if at all. The TO lugs are shorter than the Chronomat 44 lugs in the renderings that I have from Breitling if they are to scale, and they certainly appear to be. It looks like the TO case fits entirely inside the Chronomat 44 case if over-layed.
Author:  Kodiak [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:45 pm ]
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Wow Shark... really sorry to hear that. Can't believe you walked out of the AD without a purchase :lol: .

I know what your saying about the long lugs. I have made it (lug length) a real priority to enable a decent fit, along with thickness and weight. Actually I think the BB wears smaller than one would think - if I remember right the lug length is right at about 50-51mm (?)

I'm thinking about one other Breitling these days, either a Navitimer (23322 model or Old Navi. II) or a BB. Need one iconic Breitling :) . Will be selling or trading my Cockpit.

Actually, not much of anything exited me from the Basel releases this year :( . My watch fund has grown and nothing to buy, ha!
Author:  wrangler [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:46 pm ]
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Don't they have ads in the back of some magazines where one may order a wrist prosthesis, for those occasions when size matters?
Author:  sharkman [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:07 pm ]
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Justin, the Evo and BB are the same case and have the same lug end to lug end length - 51mm. That is about the limit for me.

When they made the 01 Chronomat, they meaningfully lengthened the case. While the TO has a smaller diameter, the longer lugs put the length at essentially the same as the 01 Chronomat. I haven't measured it, but I'm guessing 54mm. The Chronomat 44 sits up higher than the BB, so that accentuates it as well. The TO's long lugs have very little slope. The case fits perfectly, but the lugs sit out to much for my comfort level. I just always assumed it would be a good fit.

There is entirely too much attention paid to diameter. For instance, a 45mm Avenger or a 46mm SOH actually fits me due to combination of length AND lug shape/slope. A 39mm Royal Oak does not fit me due to the same factors.

Two years ago I likely would have pushed it. Now I am a bit more discerning about fit.


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Author:  mfserge [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:10 pm ]
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My 45mm POC is shorter in length than the 42mm Exp2. I think you will love the new 42mm PO, stop eff'n around with Breitling and go get yourself a ridiclious sports watch with ceramic bezel and beautiful in house movement! With discount you will be around $4,600, show me an Inhouse watch with ceramic bezel in that price range??? Can't be done and it's quite the looker.

Last year I had a Chronomat b01 and it was longer in length than my 44mm JLC NSA. I don't pay any attention to diameter any longer,it's all about case length for me. Rolex dropped the ball on the Exp2, 42mm is great but the case length was wayyyyyy to long, such a shame.

The TO looks in photos to wear very long.
Author:  sharkman [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:23 pm ]
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mfserge wrote:
My 45mm POC is shorter in length than the 42mm Exp2. I think you will love the new 42mm PO, stop eff'n around with Breitling and go get yourself a ridiclious sports watch with ceramic bezel and beautiful in house movement! With discount you will be around $4,600, show me an Inhouse watch with ceramic bezel in that price range??? Can't be done and it's quite the looker.

Last year I had a Chronomat b01 and it was longer in length than my 44mm JLC NSA. I don't pay any attention to diameter any longer,it's all about case length for me. Rolex dropped the ball on the Exp2, 42mm is great but the case length was wayyyyyy to long, such a shame.

The TO looks in photos to wear very long.



Rolex are always long for the diameter, eh? The 41mm DateJust 2 I had was really at the length limit for me and one reason I never bothered to look at the Explorer 2. I'll definitely check out the ceramic PO in 42mm if it is in black. Otherwise, I'm leaning in the two tone ceramic Sub or SS Daytona direction. Yeah, I know, I know, Daytona?!?
Author:  mfserge [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:31 pm ]
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sharkman wrote:

Rolex are always long for the diameter, eh? The 41mm DateJust 2 I had was really at the length limit for me and one reason I never bothered to look at the Explorer 2. I'll definitely check out the ceramic PO in 42mm if it is in black. Otherwise, I'm leaning in the two tone ceramic Sub or SS Daytona direction. Yeah, I know, I know, Daytona?!?


I'm a Daytona fan so no complaints there but a TT sub???? Ewwww.
Author:  sharkman [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:02 pm ]
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mfserge wrote:
sharkman wrote:

Rolex are always long for the diameter, eh? The 41mm DateJust 2 I had was really at the length limit for me and one reason I never bothered to look at the Explorer 2. I'll definitely check out the ceramic PO in 42mm if it is in black. Otherwise, I'm leaning in the two tone ceramic Sub or SS Daytona direction. Yeah, I know, I know, Daytona?!?


I'm a Daytona fan so no complaints there but a TT sub???? Ewwww.



Or SS. But Rolex two tone is done so well.
Author:  Kodiak [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:27 pm ]
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sharkman wrote:
mfserge wrote:
My 45mm POC is shorter in length than the 42mm Exp2. I think you will love the new 42mm PO, stop eff'n around with Breitling and go get yourself a ridiclious sports watch with ceramic bezel and beautiful in house movement! With discount you will be around $4,600, show me an Inhouse watch with ceramic bezel in that price range??? Can't be done and it's quite the looker.

Last year I had a Chronomat b01 and it was longer in length than my 44mm JLC NSA. I don't pay any attention to diameter any longer,it's all about case length for me. Rolex dropped the ball on the Exp2, 42mm is great but the case length was wayyyyyy to long, such a shame.

The TO looks in photos to wear very long.



Rolex are always long for the diameter, eh? The 41mm DateJust 2 I had was really at the length limit for me and one reason I never bothered to look at the Explorer 2. I'll definitely check out the ceramic PO in 42mm if it is in black. Otherwise, I'm leaning in the two tone ceramic Sub or SS Daytona direction. Yeah, I know, I know, Daytona?!?

ROLEX... :guns: Really ? Wouldn't you lose your moderator status ? :D

The new 42mm PO is great looking, but it is crazy thick!
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