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Author:	timbreitling [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:50 am ]
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I wonder whether anyone out there has the same concern I have, that the 01 movement is used in 3 of my favourite breitlings, Navitimer, Chronomat and Transocean. I notice that Breitling is making an advertising campaign around this at present. I know that the 01 is a respected chronograph movement but surely using it across the range is diluting the identity of the pieces. Moreover it makes it difficult for a potential buyer like me to decide which one to get if I decide I want the 01 calibre. The only thing is the love it or hate it feeling with the Chronomat bezel. Am I alone and what do you all think?

Author:	Roffensian [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:55 am ]
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It's their cornerstone in house movement, makes sense to me that it would be in multiple pieces. Still nowhere near as common as 7750 / calibre 13 and you can expect most in house chronograph movements in the future to be based on it. I'm much more concerned with the fact that they still seem to be having issues with the movement.

Author:	KMG [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:05 pm ]
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Well, I am probably going to say something here which will get me beaten up or worse . I buy a watch based on accuracy and looks. Up until the recent 'eyesores' that B'ling have produced, I love the look of their watches - so on looks, Breitling it is. Accuracy, well the automatic watches aren't accurate enough for me which is why I went for SuperQuartz - I know many here love the automatics and that's fine but for me they aren't accurate enough. So on accuracy SQ. Okay, so on that note - how many different watches in the Breitling range are SQ? I know it's quite a few. Would that deter me from owning several different models with SQ inside (if I was lucky enough to be able to afford it that is). The answer - a resounding no, so long as it's accurate and I like the look of the watch. So there you have MHO

Author:	46crew [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:22 pm ]
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As Roff pointed out, using the same movement is nothing new. I like the fact that Breitling is phasing in it's first in-house movement to many of it's watches. The vajoux 7750 movement has been around a long time and is used in THOUSANDS of watch brands. It's a great standard, and you know what you're getting. My Chronomat 01 LE is running perfectly. I just picked up a Chronomat GMT last night with the newest B04 movement. I'll tell you how that's running after further observation. I am also a fan of SQ, as it's a "fire and forget" type of movement that you can always rely on. But back to the subject, just pick the model that you love, and appreciate the new engine under the hood.

Author:	wessa [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:10 pm ]
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Why would it be surprising to see Breitling slowly introducing the Cal 1 movement across the range of their most popular products? After all it is an inhouse developed engine. As sourcing of ETA movements gets more difficult we will probably see the Cal 1 in more of the watches as time goes by. I really wanted to get a piece with the new movement however I was not particularly keen on the Chronomat B01 design. I was than about to get the Navi B01 but I could not resist the temptation when the dealer pulled out the Navi Super Constellation LE from under the counter even though the Connie is equipped with the old engine under the bonnet. This meant that to get the B01 movement I would have to consider the Chronomat 01 which as I said I'm not too keen on or get another Navi. I was than very pleasantly surprised to come across the Transocean 01 LE which finally gave me a chance to own the Cal 1 movement in a different yet very classy model. As such, I am very happy to see the Cal 1 being introduced in different models which gives us choice and at the same time leads us to temptation Cheers, Wessa.

Author:	sharkman [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:17 pm ]
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At the risk of piling on, yeah the chronos will have the 01. the gmt chrono the 04. No different than most every other brand with in house movements. Notable exception is JLC who makes a new Caliber for each new model - at least that is the PR.

Author:	Acro-Pilot [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:35 pm ]
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I'm waiting with wallet in hand for the Navi World LE with in house movement and a display back.

Author:	jeffk30 [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:38 pm ]
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Is it true that it costs signifcantly more for routine service on the new in-house movement than on the prior movement?

Author:	mikepor21 [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:14 am ]
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ok dont laugh but what exactly does the 'in house movement' mean. how does it differ from the automatic avenger i have? thanks

Author:	Roffensian [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:22 am ]
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jeffk30 wrote: Is it true that it costs signifcantly more for routine service on the new in-house movement than on the prior movement? Yep, but that's consistent with every other brand - simple supply and demand of both parts and skills. mikepor21 wrote: ok dont laugh but what exactly does the 'in house movement' mean. how does it differ from the automatic avenger i have? thanks Your Avenger has a modified ETA movement. ETA (and formerly in the case of that movement Valjoux) were movement houses that developed the watch movements separately from the companies that produced watches. They churned them out in the tens of thousands to anyone who wanted to buy them and put them in a watch - the movement in your Avenger has been around since the early 70s. More recently brands like Breitling began modifying those base movements to add functionality and accuracy and that's what is in your Avenger. ETA is now owned by Swatch group and they are stopping the supply of movement kits to 3rd parties like Breitling. This along with the fact that producing your own movement is seen as a mark of quality has led Breitling and many other companies to design, develop and manufacture their own movements 'in house' - i.e. Breitling has become a designer and manufatcurer of movements as well as a company that cases up other people's movements.

Author:	sharkman [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:37 am ]
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Speedy Gonzales beat me again (!!!!!!!), but WTF, here is what I wrote anyway - Basically that the movement is designed and manufactured by the watch brand as opposed to buying an assembled movement, a complete movement kit, or part of a movement in kit form from another company, usually ETA or Valjoux. Breitling Calibers that are not in house, such as your Avenger, start with an ebauche (a kit, but not a kit of a complete movement) from ETA or Valjoux which are now part of the Swatch Group. Breitling replaces some of the parts of the ebauche with even better parts and starts from there. An in house typically includes some parts sourced from outside vendors, but not nearly to the extent of beginning with a complete movement kit or ebauche. (Rolex is said to make everything themselves right down to the tiniest screw). In simplest terms, in house means the watch brand designs and manufactures the movement themselves rather than getting all or a part of it somewhere else.

Author:	Roffensian [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:56 am ]
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sharkman wrote: Speedy Gonzales beat me again (!!!!!!!) You must be getting slow in your old age - I beat you by 15 minutes on that one

Author:	sharkman [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:03 am ]
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Roffensian wrote: sharkman wrote: Speedy Gonzales beat me again (!!!!!!!) You must be getting slow in your old age - I beat you by 15 minutes on that one I had just got up - mountain time zone and all.

Author:	Driver8 [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:45 am ]
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Roffensian wrote: sharkman wrote: Speedy Gonzales beat me again (!!!!!!!) You must be getting slow in your old age - I beat you by 15 minutes on that one @Sharkman - Believe me Sharky, it's a losing battle trying to beat Roff to an answer these days. He hasn't amassed more than double my post count in essentially the same membership period (fractionally less if we're going to be accurate) for nothing you know! Bring back the good old days when Roff was using dial-up, I say. Back then I had a fighting chance of adding some value in place!

Author:	timbreitling [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:01 am ]
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I am concerned to hear that there is still problem with the 01 movement. I thought it was just a teething problem with production of new in house movement and that it is no longer an issue. Maybe I can be enlightened?

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