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Author:  c1jensen [ Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:04 am ]
Post subject:  Removing hands from my Jupiter

Anyone know the best way to remove the hands from the dial/movement? I have a NOS 900911 movement coming to replace the working, but EXTREMELY fast 900231 movement, and I need to know how to best remove them, then re-install them.

TIA!

Author:  Driver8 [ Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

c1jensen wrote:
Anyone know the best way to remove the hands from the dial/movement? I have a NOS 900911 movement coming to replace the working, but EXTREMELY fast 900231 movement, and I need to know how to best remove them, then re-install them.

TIA!

Your best bet will be a hand removal tool from Bergeon (third item down on this link - http://www.tztoolshop.com/page168.html ), BUT as I'm guessing you're not a pro, I'd think twice about messing about with the hands myself. They are very delicate and it requires a bit or skill and practice to get right.

Author:  Roffensian [ Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

With the right tools (removers and setters) it's easy. Without, I wouldn't try it. And for a one off vs. the cost of the tools - have someone do it.

Additionally, if the new movement doesn't have a cannon pinion then you will need to remove and replace that which is an absolute nightmare without the right tool - very easy to damage.

Author:  c1jensen [ Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

Thanks for the tool link...I've seen that site before, and hadn't come across it in some time.

As for buying the tools vs. having someone do it...I'm a "project" kinda guy, and I bought this 2300 just for that reason. I'd never even dream of doing this kinda thing with my Aerospace, but I want to learn, and I don't have much invested in this 2300. Never know when I may need the tools again either... :wink: :D

Author:  Driver8 [ Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

Roffensian wrote:
With the right tools (removers and setters) it's easy. Without, I wouldn't try it. And for a one off vs. the cost of the tools - have someone do it.

Additionally, if the new movement doesn't have a cannon pinion then you will need to remove and replace that which is an absolute nightmare without the right tool - very easy to damage.

OK, maybe not to take them off (with the right tool), but I've read a lot of things about novices having problems putting them back on.

Author:  onewatchnut [ Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

Removing the hands without a dial protector is almost guaranteed to leave marks on the dial. So, you will need a dial protector, hand remover and hand setter. Does the replacement movement come with a dial, or do you need to swap the dial as well? That will require additional tools. I assume you have the case and springbar tools if you have gotten this far. If the replacement has a dial attached, you should make sure all the motion works operate prior to installing the hands. Otherwise, you might have to remove them if you need to remove the dial.

Author:  c1jensen [ Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

onewatchnut wrote:
Removing the hands without a dial protector is almost guaranteed to leave marks on the dial. So, you will need a dial protector, hand remover and hand setter. Does the replacement movement come with a dial, or do you need to swap the dial as well? That will require additional tools. I assume you have the case and springbar tools if you have gotten this far. If the replacement has a dial attached, you should make sure all the motion works operate prior to installing the hands. Otherwise, you might have to remove them if you need to remove the dial.

Good info...yep, I have almost all the tools needed to this point, except those needed for the hands.

Thanks all...great info here!

Author:  sonyman [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

I think its best left to the pros for that bit a good watch maker will do it for you and not charge much,I am messer two but I leartnt messing about with a dial that its best left to the experts, No the movement didnt come with a Dial although they often come up on the bay for not a lot of cash

Author:  kosm1o [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

You will most certainly screw up the hands and probably the dial too, and you will probably bend a pinion in the process. This is going to be a very expensive watchmaking lesson.

Author:  c1jensen [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

kosm1o wrote:
You will most certainly screw up the hands and probably the dial too, and you will probably bend a pinion in the process. This is going to be a very expensive watchmaking lesson.

Not really...I've got less than $250 in this watch, including the NOS 900911 movement from sonyman. Everything is going fine so far...crown and stem are out, the old movement is out...just waiting for the proper tools to arrive to pull the hands. We'll see how it goes. If all else fails, I'll resell the 900911, and be out a hundred bucks...

:)

Author:  1952 [ Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

.....before you do that! Go and buy a cheapo quartz watch from a local store, even one with faux chrono hands, then practice removing and refitting the hands using the tools. Once you find this to be relatively easy, then proceed with the Jupiter.

To set the hands, I use a small piece of blu-tac on the tip of the hand to align it with 12, before using the hand setter to press down onto the pinion. Using blu-tac (or Rodico) is easier and safer than using tweezers or your fingers!

Author:  c1jensen [ Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

Thanks '52! I have two, maybe three to practice with first...no worries buds! I'm dfinitely gonna practice on something else first... 8)

Author:  Roffensian [ Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

I would have to advocate rodico vs. blu-tac, but yes - rodico is the single most useful substance ever invented for watchmaking!

I'm not sure that you stand much danger of bending or breaking a pinion just by removing hands - it doesn't take much effort, but if you have to remove the cannon pinion then that's a very real risk.

Author:  c1jensen [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

So if anyone is curious how the Jupiter project went...here's a series of pics I took along the way...

The parts I started with, NOS 900911 movement on the right-
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In order to remove the hands without marring the dial, I cut some plastic, and laid it over the dial-
Image

Then using the hand removal tool, I popped the hands off, and removed the dial. This was actually VERY easy to do, and they came off with little effort. The dial was clipped in to little guide holes, and it came off with a twist of a flat driver-
Image

Here the dial has been snapped back on to the NOS movement, and the hour hand has been placed back on with a hand setting tool-
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Then the minute hand was placed over the hour hand at the straight up 12 position, then I installed the stem to check movement-
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I then removed the stem, and installed the movement back in to the case-
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Then I installed the battery-
Image

It works!
Image

I put the case back on, and tried to put the crown back on. Here's the one and only part I messed up on. In setting the time, I squeezed the stem a bit too much with the pliers, and now the crown won't go back on with the spring in place-
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I also think I lost a small piece that retains the spring inside the crown. So I'll be looking for a new stem with a crown on it.

In the meantime, I put a strap on the watch, and set the current time, and GMT time in the window. It's perfectly wearable at this point, even though it is missing the crown...
Image

So overall, this was a really cool project! I'm REALLY happy that I followed through with it, and go it done. And other than messing up the crown, it turned out great! The new movement is keeping perfect time! Thanks to sonyman for the movement!! Now to find a new stem and crown...hmm...anyone know???

:lingsrock:

Author:  sonyman [ Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Removing hands from my Jupiter

c1jensen wrote:
So if anyone is curious how the Jupiter project went...here's a series of pics I took along the way...

The parts I started with, NOS 900911 movement on the right-
Image

In order to remove the hands without marring the dial, I cut some plastic, and laid it over the dial-
Image

Then using the hand removal tool, I popped the hands off, and removed the dial. This was actually VERY easy to do, and they came off with little effort. The dial was clipped in to little guide holes, and it came off with a twist of a flat driver-
Image

Here the dial has been snapped back on to the NOS movement, and the hour hand has been placed back on with a hand setting tool-
Image

Then the minute hand was placed over the hour hand at the straight up 12 position, then I installed the stem to check movement-
Image

I then removed the stem, and installed the movement back in to the case-
Image

Then I installed the battery-
Image

It works!
Image

I put the case back on, and tried to put the crown back on. Here's the one and only part I messed up on. In setting the time, I squeezed the stem a bit too much with the pliers, and now the crown won't go back on with the spring in place-
Image
I also think I lost a small piece that retains the spring inside the crown. So I'll be looking for a new stem with a crown on it.

In the meantime, I put a strap on the watch, and set the current time, and GMT time in the window. It's perfectly wearable at this point, even though it is missing the crown...
Image

So overall, this was a really cool project! I'm REALLY happy that I followed through with it, and go it done. And other than messing up the crown, it turned out great! The new movement is keeping perfect time! Thanks to sonyman for the movement!! Now to find a new stem and crown...hmm...anyone know???

:lingsrock:



glad it all worked out and all you need is to get the stem try BUSA they might have old ones as spares

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