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I am just disappointed. With the Spartan deal. It is not Admin's fault, or anyone else, other than dishonest person(s). I enjoy visiting this site in order to drool over perhaps my next watch; not to read about internationl crooks. Nothing else to add.

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+1.... that bloke should have that chronomatic put where the sun doesnt shine..when he is found...he will surface again no doubt,the temptation will be to great,he will be thinking "iv done it once,why not again?"...so be on your guard everyone!!

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not sure yet!!

Unfortunately sending an extremely expensive watch to a complete stranger without payment or collateral is a dangerous thing to do. Let's be honest, Spartan has no one to blame but himself. I really feel sorry fro him though. I think if you do something like this you can't be upset if this happens.

Maybe traders should think of getting collateral like a credit card hold until both parties receive the watches.

I know many have traded on this forum with success, but really that's just luck. All it takes is one bad apple, and your left with your pants down.

I can't imagine doing this unless I had collateral and confirmed the watch was authentic(given all the fakes).

Admin and the moderators are not responsible for policing commerce on the site in my opinion.

I have an idea and it is just an idea about trades on this forum maybe we can all help each other out. If we had VERY TRUSTED members on the this forum who would be the middle man on these trades I think it would really help out. Hear me out now. The respected forum middle man would be sent both watches and he would have to be able to confirm that each watch is in fact correct in all concerns, then he would mail out the watches out to the other person at the same time. Of course there would have to be some type of fee paid to the forum middle man for all his effort. I really don't know if anyone would be interested in getting involved but give me your thoughts guys and maybe we could make something happen along these lines for all future trades. Now if for some reason one party never sends the watch to be traded to the middle man the other party would just get their watch mailed back to them. This way we could weed out these bastards that pull this kind of crap. Let me know what you think.

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YOU CAN'T HAVE A GREAT TIME WITHOUT A GREAT WATCH.........MAKE IT A BREITLING

I think that's a solid idea. Probably have to have a bunch of middlemen since this site is "international". Middleman would have to be vetted, or we may end up with a crook getting 2 watches.

At most private jewelery stores they act as middle men (some even check to see if there fake before you do), our store does about a trade every other month, now our boss charges a fee for the work.

that is a very good idea, we lost a few more dollars shipping watches twice but at least the business will be ok

in few weeks of forum participation and in the breitling world i can already see who are the big and trusty guys over here

they should be nominated and then find out who among them are available for this kind of responsability

that business whit spartan shaked the trust of overall business, very sad story

i bought something recently at a very good price related to breitling, and deposit money in 1 account of a person from another country that i do not know whit nothing i could hold for just like spartan did, i didn`t received it yet but he kept his word and already shipped and gave me tracking number and other info, after spartan was robbed i begun to think... my god what did i do!!!, i will never put me in this position again, it was a great bargain, but that usually is the best way to rob people around

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Breitling Chrono Avenger Black Dial whit Pro II Ti, Diver Pro I
Breitling BlackBird Big Date brushed whit SS Bracelet, brown croco
Breitling BlackBird Blacksteel 528/2000 Whit Dp2 Deployment
Omega Planet Ocean Chrono 9300 Co-axial Ceramic on SS bracelet

Send them to me...

I like the idea actually, except that it's a lot of responsiblity for someone to hang onto cash and then....maybe a third party that is a jeweler or established business....

Now that I give this some thought there are problems and liability issues with this, but a possible business model is out there. What should a transaction cost for a watch that costs between $800 and $4000? Are there different levels? appraisals? What if it's not the right watch but gets sent anyway?

interesting problem and solution.

Just a thought guys (please don't bite my head off take 1 )

Again----Just throwing ideas around (please don't bite my head off, take 2 )

If I were to designate middle men, this is where I would place my trust 100%

for Canada>>>> ADMIN - Roff or MarkJnk
for the US>>>>MAH or Mario or Doc
for the UK>>>>DRIVER or Sharky or Sonyman
for the EU>>>> BNEWBIE (unanimous)
for Asia>>>>>> Aleister (unanimous)
for the Middle East >>> Altair (unanimous)
for Australia>>>>>Otto (unanimous)

Again its probably impossible to pull off (customs for one) but if we do, everyone else will imitate us

*disclaimer: members mentioned above have the right to
SPARTAN

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Rolex DeepSea, GMT Master II TT, Pres 18038, DJ TT 16013
Breitling Chronomat 39mm (bullet+UTC), Starliner SS/MOP (wife)

back with ROLEX

i actually had help from admin for a potential trade up in vancouver...supposedly the guy lives about 5 min from admin. his 2 watches for my one. the minute i told him i had a friend that lived about 5 minutes away from him and gave him admin's phone #s...he disappeared . glad i didn't get scammed for a 9k watch!

It is much simpler than this. I've been thinking about it also. It is somewhat similar to a two-phase commit algorithm. The watches don't need to go to the middle man directly, which increases the cost and time. It goes like this:

1) Party A and B agree to trade and an agreed value $X.
2) Party A sends Middle Man(MM) $X via Paypal. MM leaves it in his PP account.
3) Party B sends MM $X via Paypal. MM leaves in his PP account.
4) Parties A and B ship the watches.
5) If Party A gets the watch and is satisfied, MM refunds Party B's PP payment.
6) If Party B gets the watch and is satisfied, MM refunds Party A's PP payment.
7) If neither party gets the watch, MM refunds both payments.
If Party A never gets the watch, MM refunds A's payment and sends B's deposit to A.
9) If Party B never gets the watch, MM refunds B's payment and sends A's deposit to B.

Paypal doesn't charge for refunds, so this only ends up costing if the deal goes bad. Think of it as insurance. There is the issue of paypal chargebacks and disputes though.

That said, I wouldn't want to be the middle man. Too much hassle and responsibility.

Liking the idea, anything to stop people getting screwed over for expensive watches gets my vote .

One problem I could potentially see is the 'condition' of the watch would have to be agreed up front with very clear photos as this is a subjective measurement, and in no way should be left on the shoulders of the middle man

The Paypal deposit idea is good, I was thinking over a similar idea, but sometimes people trade watch for watch as they do not have the funds to buy another outright. Also there are delays associated with Paypal, not sure how that works for refunds??

Spartan, that's very flattering . The idea certainly has some appeal. As others have said, though, there would be a lot of responsibility (and probably legal liability) on the shoulders of the middle man. I keep thinking: what happens if someone claims they didn't receive their watch or money from the MM? And if the MM is supposed to spot a fake, I don't know how many people here would be qualified to do that. Not me, that's for sure.

Anyhow, I still think it's worth exploring some more. I, for one, like the idea of helping others and being able to call on help in this way.

Good for you... You avoided a catastrophe....

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Rolex DeepSea, GMT Master II TT, Pres 18038, DJ TT 16013
Breitling Chronomat 39mm (bullet+UTC), Starliner SS/MOP (wife)

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I would be happy to do the UK bit with AM and D8 if there any issues, I think long established members know just by looking at a watch if its real, True there are some very good fakes out there but 99% you could spot it immediately, And I am only 40 mins away from AM and 20 mins Away from my local AD so getting cast iron guarantees is not a problem.I also have contacts at BUK so could check any history ther as well.

And how many times would this happen once maybe twice a year if that so its not a major deal

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