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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:29 pm 
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I think price is an issue in a LE case only when compared to retail price. Chrono Valjoux 7750 is cca. 1000 Euro above the normal ETA 28xx version. And in case of a see-through case-back I'd simply always laugh looking at a 25.6 mm ETA in a 46 mm case. A 30.4 mm movement in a 40 mm case, that's really something! Like in the good old days :)
Just my USD .02, anyway...
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Well, watches can be ordered as head only. Allowing everyone to put them on whatever strap/bracelet is needed.

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I think price is an issue in a LE case only when compared to the retail price. Chrono is cca. 1000 Euro above the normal version. And in case of a see-through case-back I'd simply always laugh looking at a 25.6 mm ETA in a 46 mm case. A 20 mm movement in a 40 mm case, that's really something, like it the good old days :)
Just my USD .2, anyway...
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Remember, we wouldn't be paying retail, so that cost would be somewhat canceled out.

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Now other thoughts as well as I've read through the whole thread:

- why not have the BreitlingSource logo engraved or stamped on the ROTOR??? That of the Valjoux 7750 can offer place enough for that.

- why not dividing this 50 peices to decades, regarding size, colors, maybe weekday feature on the dial? (I'd be very astonished if one of next years BASEL/Genf new wouldn't be the "normal" size SOHC). You could easily bind wishes of 5 times 10 peices together and I do not think price difference could be an issue (compared to the single 50 series). The only hope is the weekday issue on the dial - one of the main reasons I went for the CSO as well.

- I remember the IWC Forum Inge a few years back having had good popularity - as a template of the idea maybe. I used to be partly an IWC guy and still have my 2 IWC-s (BTW a ceramic and a steel Fliegerchrono, both 39 mm) so that's why I know about this Ingy-thingy. They could do it with a positive outcome, why shouldn't we?

- Regarding size for the last time in this thread I promise: with aging people usually return to older values, being normal size watch one of these. Being 47 now I've also had excursions for larger watches (namely 44 mm) but now my largest is the CSO and I wear proudly from time to time my 36 mm Calatrava ref. 3998 too. (I think and hope that mentioning other brands doesn't offend forum regulations, as I'm mainly a Breitling fanatic, with sometimes doing small excursions...)

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Well said. I am 31 years old and like a bigger sized watch right now. I can certainly see that trend possibly changing for me over the years to the smaller case sizes. I feel if the thought behind this watch takes everything into consideration we could come up with something really great. A real keeper. I am all for this watch being very classy and refined. Even if this means a smaller case? Thanks for your thoughts Robertus.
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"Well said. I am 31 years old and like a bigger sized watch right now. I can certainly see that trend possibly changing for me over the years to the smaller case sizes. I feel if the thought behind this watch takes everything into consideration we could come up with something really great. A real keeper. I am all for this watch being very classy and refined. Even if this means a smaller case? Thanks for your thoughts Robertus."


Thx for your post! It makes me feel I do not stand alone w/my point of view. I think that a BreitlingSource Limited Edition won't come up every now and then, so if we can reach sg really worthy I plan to wear that piece even in my old age when time will not be so important for me any more and do not plan to make myself funny w/an XXXL piece regardless how great it looks "per se".

So if there'll be a SOHC w/40 mm, blue-black and possibly day-date (even if only one decade of the five) I'm certainly "in", regardless of price.

Best regards from beautiful Budapest (where the hungarian Mr. Besenyei unfortunately could not reach a good result in Red Bull Air Race on the 20th of August)


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Excellent work, both Mario and Roff!

That design you posted with the watch all complete is great, in my opinion.

And Roff, take the measures you need, You have my full back-up.

I really hope this will result in a watch in the very end, I'm already excited! :)

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With so many different people having such a variety of tastes it would be impossible to make everyone 100% happy. There has to be a understanding that compromise is mandatory. Case in point, if it were my choice and my choice alone, I would want another Super Avenger.

Perhaps we should do two of these. One big diameter, the other a small diameter Breitling. 8)

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With so many different people having such a variety of tastes it would be impossible to make everyone 100% happy. There has to be a understanding that compromise is mandatory. Case in point, if it were my choice and my choice alone, I would want another Super Avenger.

Perhaps we should do two of these. One big diameter, the other a small diameter Breitling. 8)


Agree totally - the small could be the SOHC :)

What if we'll try to reach at HQ/Ling to produce a kind of 50 series every year for BreitlingSource.com? :)


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OK, let me see what i can do. Here is the SOHC. Some matching red stitching on the croc would really set it off ;)

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THAT'S PERFECT MARIO!!!!!!! :thumbsup: That is exactly what I had in mind when I thought about that combo! Just beautiful. (Personally I love the green/black Rolex-like look too, but I think I'm in the minority there...... and besides, that red looks AWESOME! :thumbsup:)

I love some of the ideas about DB's and stamped rotors etc, but the cost will go up dramatically. Even if we just stuck with the dial mods, I honestly don't think anyone would complain about the opportunity to own one of a run of just 50 watches.

Green light all the way from me!

WE NEED THIS TO HAPPEN!!!!!! :D

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Mario, your mock-up is awesome. Even better than I imagined when I supported D8's original idea. I'm in.

Roff, thanks for running with this too. Fingers crossed.

I actually dreamed about this project last night (!!!) and logging on this morning I see that you guys have posted 3 pages on this thread while I slept, so I guess I was with you subconsciously!!!!!!

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but why do we think only about contemporary models?

What about a LE of the wonderful Aviastar, originally produced between 1996 and 1998, with a bit of updating???

By updating I mean:

- COSC certi
- domed sapphire crystal (sorry, but sg like Sinn Goldchronograph or 356 St Sa, but can be sg like the Navi glass too)
- Luminova dial and hands
- weekday feature
- a choice of dial colors
- better wr than the original 30 m
- turning bezel fixed with screws like on SOHC

Any opinions? (I might be in a minority again, because this watch is not more than 41.5 mm...) I have a black dial original Aviastar and this is an absolutely stunning lovely watch with the reliefed dial and Navitimer case shape!!!!

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Hi Robertus,

I don't know the model you refer to and don't have a strong view either way but I would have thought we would have much more chance of Breitling actually coming on board if our requests are restrained/reasonable (ie some colour changes, etc) rather than major alterations/rebuilding.

Only my view - others may know better.

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I strongly believe it is necessary to stay with a model that is produced right now. Anything else would most likely be rejected by Breitling, and if it didn't it would be very costly to bring out (or even make new) machinery and tools for making something that isn't in their production line.

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So judging by my PMs I'm not making myself clear.....

Let me start with a question:

Does anyone have a problem with me trying to coordinate this?

If you do, I'm a big boy - I can take it, but please - tell me!

I have absolutely no idea why I keep getting PMs wanting to know who my contacts are, telling me that they are going to help by talking to their AD, telling me that I have to ask about this model or that model, promising that if their AD gets the business then we'll get the best deal in the history of the world - even suggesting that their AD would give me a kick back for the business which is downright insulting.

This is a free world, I can't stop you doing whatever you want, but I would suggest that we at least pretend to be united.

I have no idea what kind of discount we can get yet, and I have no idea what the price will be, but I have PM'd a couple of people on here recently about a discount that I could get them on a certain model of 50% - so if you can't do better maybe you'll be better holding your own counsel.

I have some fairly direct connections to Switzerland, and others on here have better than me. I suggested yesterday that if you have direct connections that you would be willing to use then you PM me and if we need to I can ask those people to do that - a couple have (although some credibility is lost if you can't spell your famous contact's name correctly!)

We don't have to make a decision on the model yet, but there will come a time when we have to decide on the model, the colours and the production run. I'm sure even more people will be PO'd with me then, but thems the breaks.

If we do this right then we have a solid contact, a proven record and an opportunity to order additional LE runs for other models, if we screw it up then we lose an opportunity for ever.

My wife asked me last night why I was doing this again after the last offer through an AD. The answer is that I'm a Breitling guy - you all know that, but if you think that I'm the wrong person to be spearheading this with Breitling then let me know and I'll back down.

If you think that I'm the right person, please give me a little bit of trust.

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A well reasoned and justified rant, Roff. I hope I speak for the majority on this thread in saying that we are more than grateful for your efforts (again) and trust you to have the best chance of making this exciting project happen.

Can we agree to let Roff handle the approach? If it falls down, then is the time to look at/for plan B.

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Roff, I don't know you.
At all.
But to be fair, I kind of do.
I would go into more detail, but I don't want to embarass myself (BTW, I am also a horrible speller, so forgive my mistakes...).

Suffice it to say, you are THE guy in my estimation. I personally trust you to be the point person on this, as you have the background and experience that a former intel guy like me looks for.
I certainly cannot speak for anyone else, so make no mistake, folks, that is not what I am doing here. Each of you has your own mind and I expect you to use it.
Having said that, I would like to personally endorse you.
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