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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:45 pm 
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The problem is, documentation won't prove the authenticity of the watch he sent to the buyer. It would only prove Justin bought a genuine Breitling at some point from a dealer. I suppose any piece of information might help Justin's case, but it doesn't change my answer to your first question.


Once a buyer files a chargeback, Paypal and the seller are playing by the rules established by the credit card companies. Paypal will partner the with the seller to fight the dispute. Providing documentations and any additional information relating to the authenticity of the item will be vital for Paypal to build a strong case and win the dispute against the credit card company.



But they can and WILL just jerk the funds without prior notice to the seller and pending final resolution, as they did here. The point is the degree if vigor in the fight for pp versus a retailer - the retailer can lose money, pp can't.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:13 pm 
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yes it goes on and on my friend...... :strummin:

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But they can and WILL just jerk the funds without prior notice to the seller and pending final resolution, as they did here. The point is the degree if vigor in the fight for pp versus a retailer - the retailer can lose money, pp can't.


From what I know, Paypal contacts the seller via email immediately once they received notification from the credit card company of a chargeback and provide the seller with details regarding the dispute and also that the funds in question will be termporarily held. Once the Seller and Paypal wins the dispute with the credit card company, the funds will then be released.


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first of all sorry to hear you are going through this. this guy has a police background so he would probably know anything under 5k is not grand theft making it a slap on the wrist if he gets caught, you might have some mail fraud or a postal law but he obviously knows all the police in his town so good luck with that. ( that is assuming he really did steal it )


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This must be what it's like to be on a jury. Whenever I have received a jury summons in the past, I always toss it in the can and pretend like it never happened. Another perk of California. So humor me and allow me to offer my conclusions:

It's too unlikely Justin, with his track record, tried to pull a fast one.

Jeremy does say a couple things that don't really make sense within the context of the thread. Jackson did a great job picking through the details.

Law enforcement in TX and LA isn't the same law enforcement that most of us think of. Apologies to BS members in those states, but you guys know what I mean......

Jeremy should consider 45 minutes of cardio 4 days per week, and obviously switch to light beer, no matter how much that's frowned upon in TX..... or which brewery sponsors his favorite NASCAR driver.

I also have to blame China to a certain extent, for insisting on counterfeiting everything under the sun. They siphon billions of the world GDP, and their leaders do nothing to stop it. They have fake Apple stores in Beijing, and nobody cares. Fake STORES! I hate them for this.

I am hoping this gets resolved for all involved. I realize this thread isn't funny to whoever got worked, and I hope justice prevails.

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I also have to blame China to a certain extent, for insisting on counterfeiting everything under the sun. They siphon billions of the world GDP, and their leaders do nothing to stop it. They have fake Apple stores in Beijing, and nobody cares. Fake STORES! I hate them for this.


Buying a counterfeit (which for the record, I am against) for one's own personal usage is one thing, but to buy a fake watch with the aim of deception and fraud is another thing.
I really don't see how you can blame a Country/manufacturer for another man's crime.

That's like blaming Beretta for an armed robber killing a bystander or something.


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Well for those of you who were pushing for “Justin” to speak with Jeremy’s boss- here she is. I am Sarah, Jeremy’s wife, and after reading through this forum I could no longer sit on the sidelines while Jeremy character was being attacked.

To the comments about Jeremy’s bellowing and throwing around things like arrest and slander and equating this sort of behavior to that of “the guilty”- I can see how you could think something like that since you don’t know him. But the fact is, he just has a quick temper and doesn’t care to compose his thoughts to provide his side of the story to a group of people that have already made a judgment against him. It is much more his style to drop a lot of F bombs and name calling when he finds himself in a defensive position.

There have been a lot of comments thrown around in this forum questioning Jeremy’s side of this story and I hope to address them all. Especially to those of you that think “Justin” is such a stand up guy.

I think I’ll start with our version of this story…

Jeremy purchased what was supposed to be a Breitling watch on Ebay. The package was delivered the next day and upon inspection Jeremy noticed that the buttons did not work on the watch and there was no paperwork with it to verify its authentication. Jeremy contacted the seller and was assured it was real, that he wasn’t sure why the buttons didn’t work, and he suggested that Jeremy take it to an authorized Breitling dealer in the Houston area to have it checked out. The same day Jeremy took the watch to Zadok Jewelers, an authorized dealer listed on Breitling’s website, and they informed him that the watch was a replica and not authentic. Jeremy contacted the seller again and he said the watch was not a replica, that perhaps the watch needed to be repaired, and that Jeremy should return it to him for a refund as Jeremy was very clear with him that whether a fake or broken he wasn’t interested in either.

Jeremy told the seller that he sent it back to the address listed on the shipping label at which point the seller said he would track it to be sure he was home to sign for it. We paid for overnight Saturday delivery which if memory serves me correctly that would be May 14. Up until this point the emails between the seller and Jeremy were very regular, Jeremy had been convinced that the watch was either in need of repair or that the seller genuinely did not know it was a replica. They discussed other watches that Jeremy is in search of, one in particular for me, and if the seller had any of them available to him. Come Monday May 15 the emails stopped from the seller. Jeremy then sent a couple of emails to the seller over the next few days to confirm receipt of the shipment as well as to inquire the seller’s ability to verify the findings of the jeweler in Houston with no response.

Although none of this may mean anything to any of you, it will when the emails are printed out and presented to a court of law if it comes to that. As many of you have pointed out, there is no way to prove that the watch that Jeremy received is the one the seller sent, or the watch that Jeremy took to the jeweler is the one the seller sent, or that the watch that Jeremy sent back is the one that the seller sent. It would have been nice for the watch to have been sent to an authorized dealer for us to pick up there (if that is even possible) as all of this could have been avoided. When the authorized dealer opened the package with the fake watch there would be no disputing that on the seller’s part. Regardless, I just tell you about the sequence of events and the type of conversations the two men were having to give you an idea of how things played out.

As for the paypal dispute being ruled in the seller’s favor- Paypal’s dispute department is useless and it is apparent to me that they do not want to actually do their jobs. I called paypal to ask about their decision and the response I got was that the seller said we never returned the package. Even though my return tracking number was given to them, they never added that information to the dispute file so according to their information the seller sent us a watch and we never returned one back. They didn’t rule in his favor because of some overwhelming evidence that he was right and we were in the wrong. He won that dispute based on a lazy employee unwilling to do their job. They said they would reopen the dispute “now that they had proof of return” but my confidence in their ability to protect me was not very high. I told them that I would dispute it with my credit card company and maybe their resolution department might actually give a shit about its customers.

So on to the dispute with the credit card company… The seller presented the same response- Jeremy sent the package to “somewhere in Provo, UT… I am confused, I don’t know why he sent it there, I live and work in Salt Lake City..”. My only response to the credit card company was that I sent it back to the address that it was mailed from, that I had an email with the seller where I state that I sent it back to the address that it was mailed from and he acknowledged needed to track the package in order to be home to sign for it.

Up until the post on this forum, the seller has never admitted to receiving our package. His stance has been that he didn’t get anything back from us. Actually, here is a copy of an email Jeremy received on August 4:

Hey Jeremy,

I don't know why you feel you deserve my watch for free and are scamming me out of my watch and now my money for the watch you still have.. I have done nothing to you to deserve this unfair outcome. Especially when you supposedly send me back my watch but send it to a random address in Provo, UT. I live in Salt Lake City and work in the downtown area.

If you would please send me back my watch to my actual address or be a decent human being and be honest with your credit card company and reverse your bogus chargeback claim, I would gladly appreciate it. And I would wish you the best in your life, if you are not willing to be an honest man, you will be hearing from my attorney very soon.

Thank you.

Danny

*address redacted*
SLC, UT 84124

Sent from my iPhone

D-Young

And this is where things become even more confusing for both me and Jeremy. Who is Danny? Who is Justin? Who is J. Fernandez?

Danny Young is who Jeremy has spoken with via email from the purchase up until the email 2 days ago where he is still claiming to never have received the shipment as it went to “somewhere in Provo, UT”. Justin is some guy posting on here about how he got scammed. J. Fernandez sent me the watch and signed for its return. Anyone care to clarify this mystery for me?

Are they all the same person? If so, then he really needs to pick a story and stick to it. My guess is the “I didn’t receive the package” claim was no longer valid as it was clearly delivered and signed for so he had to come up with another one. So now he’s saying he sent a real watch and received a replica in return.

Are they not the same person? If not, then who did Jeremy actually buy this piece of crap from? Was it a middleman? Did “Justin” have Danny sell the watch for him on Ebay? Did Danny switch the watch before he shipped it to Jeremy? Did Danny give the watch to J. Fernandez to ship out for him? I don’t know. It’s confusing and doesn’t make sense.

Our ebay account has been open since 2000. We are only buyers and have over 100 positive feedback and 0 negative. Jeremy purchased this watch on May 9 from an account that was opened just a week before and from what I remember had done one transaction prior to the purchase we made from him. We were hesitant to spend this amount of money with someone that didn’t have a history to go on, but it was a very good deal and Jeremy just couldn’t pass it up. As they always say, if it seems too good to be true…

And to top it all off, some of you on this forum have taken things too far. Calling my store, speaking to my employees, sending emails through my business website THREATENING to slander my name and my businesses name, going on to google review and leaving slanderous feedback about things that are not true.

Like someone pointed out earlier, why would Jeremy use his real name, his credit card (yes, that’s right, it’s not stolen), if he were going to scam someone? We own a multi-million dollar firearms business. We have the money to spend on nice items such as a REAL Breitling. We have no need or desire to be dishonest or to steal from anyone.

I hope that my attempt to shed light on the situation in a calm and rational tone has proved the type of woman that I am and that what I am about to say is as serious as it gets. This is no longer an issue between my husband and a man that sent him a fake watch from an online purchase. This is directly impacting my business and a line has been crossed.

PLEASE LET THIS SERVE AS A WARNING… ANY COMMENTS LEFT ON THIS FORUM OR OTHER PUBLIC PLACES SUCH AS GOOGLE OR YAHOO REVIEW THAT INCLUDE SLANDEROUS COMMENTS SUCH AS “DON’T DO BUSINESS WITH THIS STORE. ITS EMPLOYEES ARE THEIVES AND STOLE A BREITLING WATCH” NEED TO BE REMOVED AND STOPPED IMMEDIATELY. THEY WILL BE CONSIDERED SLANDER AND WE WILL PURSUE CRIMINAL AND CIVIL CHARGES AGAINST THIS FORUM AND THE INDIVIDUALS POSTING THEM.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:04 pm 
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do you have any pics of the watch that you recieved and took to Zadok Jewelers? to be fair all you have showed is pictures of postage and a letter from the AD stating you showed them a fake.


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Zadok must not be a very knowledgable Breitling AD. If they were, they'd know that A25362 is the reference number, not the serial number. If they fail the basic knowledge. test, how can they possibly authenticate a watch? Heck, that letter is not even signed. And who's to say what watch was shown them.

That letter is wothless.

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Zadok must not be a very knowledgable Breitling AD. If they were, they'd know that A25362 is the reference number, not the serial number. If they fail the basic knowledge. test, how can they possibly authenticate a watch? Heck, that letter is not even signed. And who's to say what watch was shown them.

That letter is wothless.


All I know is they are a Breitling AD listed with Breitling. I have never owned a Breitling before and wouldn't know the a reference number or serial number on these watches. The watch was not functioning properly and came with no papers which lead me to believe I should have it checked out. I'm not certain that I would know the difference between a fake one and a real one. It was a very nice looking watch. More than likely if the buttons had worked I would have ended up paying $4700 for a replica...

The letter is not what really needs to be focused on here. It is just one item I have from a jeweler during this long drawn out ordeal. The focus should be on the fact that the seller is a liar. He has multiple names and/or multiple personalities. His story has not been consistent from day 1. I don't even really know who HE is! Which one of these people sold me and shipped me the watch?

After everything I posted, you focus on the letter from the AD? What about his lies? How is an AD you view as "sub-par" and argument to my facts?

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do you have any pics of the watch that you recieved and took to Zadok Jewelers? to be fair all you have showed is pictures of postage and a letter from the AD stating you showed them a fake.


I didn't think to take pictures of the watch. The only reason for the pictures of the labels is to prove I sent it back to the same person that I received it from. Which apparently isn't even the same person posting on this thread or emailing me within the past few days still claiming that I shipped his watch to nowhere land in Provo, UT.

To be fair... I think you skipped over the dispute form where the seller clearly says that he didn't receive the package and that I sent it to some strange address in Provo, UT which makes him confused because he lives and works in Salt Lake City...

Does no one see the discrepancy here? WTF. It's like talking to a wall...

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WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF THIS REPLICA THAT YOU BOUGHT??????

if what you recieved really was a replica and you did such a great job of documenting the postage with pictures it would only make sense that you took photos of this watch that you bought. i think most of us on here would find it strange if you didnt take photos.


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WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF THIS REPLICA THAT YOU BOUGHT??????

if what you recieved really was a replica and you did such a great job of documenting the postage with pictures it would only make sense that you took photos of this watch that you bought. i think most of us on here would find it strange if you didnt take photos.


Ok, maybe I'm not being clear here. The photos of the labels weren't taken for documenting purposes... it's not like I took them the day I sent the package off... I took those pictures to send to the dispute department as proof of shipment per their request. The one from the seller was still on the box sitting at my place of business and the one from me to him is my receipt- you get a duplicate copy with the credit card receipt stapled to it... which you can see in the photo on the top left corner- it's not the actual shipping address- that was attached to the package that got sent out.

Since we clearly aren't going to focus on the more important facts of this story because everyone here assumes the seller is not at fault and the buyer is the devil, do you have anymore irrelevant questions?

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