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Justin, wish you this story will have a happy ending as Raymond's did.[/quote]


really hope so aswell... but my story wasnt as bad as this one, watch and money gone!!!!

wanted to help you out but i dont know how... if i can do anything then let me know!

and keep us updated.

This is complete crap! I am the victim and trying to be ripped off by a scam artist! I won a "breathing" on eBay and when it got here the buttons didn't work. I brought it to the local authorized dealer who told me it was a fake! I called the seller and he promised it wasn't fake but maybe just broken and to send it back. After he received it he would never return my calls or emails! He then had the fake watch and my money! I filed a complaint and he said I shipped it to the wrong address! After my credit card company got my money back I started getting phone calls and emails saying I was a crook! This guy is a complete scam artist and a piece of crap! I do have a real breitling now no thanks to the seller on eBay! He will be sued for slander very soon if criminal charges are not brought upon him! Please email me if you have any questions or can give me any info that will lead to his arrest!

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I am not your rolling wheels, I am the highway
I am not your carpet ride, I am the sky
I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning
I am not your Autumn moon, I am the night
-Audioslave

I don't know you. A know a bit about you through my own sources. Enough, in fact.


I do know jadanf and have dealt with him on several watch sales and never have dealt with a more honorable and pleasant fellow - ever.


Here is the difference between jadanf and you - he expresses his dismay and asks for ideas. You bellow in here hollering arrest and slander. Give me a break. And that is exactly what the crooked sorts tend to do - bellow and threaten. A bunch of sound and fury signifying guilt. But you already know that, right Deputy Dawg? Why would you need our help to get jadanf's info so the Feds can sweep in and arrest him? Doesn't your Daddy the Sheriff have a full database???



Wouldn't happen to be a silver dial Motors now would it???? Care to share definitive visual proof of where you got that magic Ling from?

Welcome to Breitlingsource.

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SHARKMAN

I can't even begin to think that this entire story has gone full circle. How in the f__k could some watch steeling clown end up joining this forum after the scam and then portray himsellf as the victim? I think that this "new" cupcake is just looking for attention.

R/

You are exactly right, Rebel. From here on out -

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Breitling SuperOcean (coral)
Breitling Avenger
Corum Admiral's Cup
Rolex Sub

CLASSIC!!!!!!

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"I don't own any watches, I just lease them"

I do not know this guys real name or address to pursue charges! He will not answer me because he is obviously scared of getting caught! I will gladly post pictures as soon as it arrives!

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I am not your rolling wheels, I am the highway
I am not your carpet ride, I am the sky
I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning
I am not your Autumn moon, I am the night
-Audioslave

Wasn't his name and address written on the box for you to ship the fakeling back to??? And isn't his real name on your Paypal invoice that you used to pay him?

I'd call all the pawn shops in and around Katy, TX to see if they have any silver dials Motors in stock. Then I'd check craig's list just to make sure one didn't pop up for sale recently. I'd also report the serial number to Breitling so they can have it on file that the watch was stolen.

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"I don't own any watches, I just lease them"

The USPS tracking number on the package sent to me was EG933867209US from a J. Fernandez 1000 E Center St. #10 Provo UT 84606. I shipped it back to the exact same address fed ex 794756338485 which was signed for by J. Fernandez! And no paypal nor eBay will give me his real name or address due to privacy. I have a letter from the local authorized dealer that I brought it to proving it was fake. I don't think you know the guy very well because he is a scam artist. I own a very lucrative business and have ZERO need or reason to screw anyone! Instead I believe this guy is posting this crap in hopes to win a dispute with my credit card company in which he has told them a completely different story!

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I am not your rolling wheels, I am the highway
I am not your carpet ride, I am the sky
I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning
I am not your Autumn moon, I am the night
-Audioslave

This is my last post. I know him quite well and have done considerable business with him. So stop saying he is a scam artist because many of us here know FOR A FACT that is untrue. THAT is libel.

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How is it the buyer is now registered on Bs? This makes no sense to me

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One Watch At A Time.

jjalcede: Welcome to the site.

I'm guessing that today may be your first visit to this site. Please take a look around and notice that the detection and notification of fake Breitling watches and their sellers is a significant part of this site. The members here take this sort of thing very seriously.

Several of the members here also buy and sell watches frequently, transacting hundreds of thousands of dollars with people they never meet. Honesty and trust are paramount. Disputes like the one at issue hit home with us all, and threaten our ability to continue to enjoy this expensive but meaningful hobby.

You have come in today suggesting civil suit and/or arrest. For whichever of you is in fact the perpetrator, such outcomes make perfect sense to us. Under either version of what happened, there are likely violations of state and possibly federal laws, not to mention civil liability. Such a judgment against the actual perpetrator would be welcomed by the members of this site.

As it turns out, the seller is known to other members here who have dealt with him and spoken with him on deals amounting to several thousand dollars. From what I have seen here, what you allege has not been the experience of those who have dealt with the seller. Again, I don't know him but I know one person here who I completely trust, for whom the seller has earned his complete trust. You have been met with questions and some level of mistrust because the seller has an established reputation of honesty and trustworthiness.

Each of you has posted on this site firmly claiming to be the victim. As one who wants, above all, the sanctity of the marketplace preserved and the integrity of this hobby and this site maintained, my only suggestion, and you may have already done it, is to go to law enforcement. ( I believe you are in law enforcement yourself) I believe that the seller posted that he has spoken with law enforcement. Good. If both sides submit this to the authorities, maybe they will gain sufficient information to investigate and get to the bottom of this. Better yet, and this goes for the seller too, please post the contact information of the investigating officer(s)--the seller claims he has had difficulty getting the authorities interested in this dispute. Maybe both sides reporting will get something done. Let everybody lay their cards on the table in the light of day.

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AP Royal Oak 15400, silver
Zenith Chronomaster El Primero Classic Cars
Vintage gold Corum
Rolex DJ 36 TT, oyster dial, oyster/smooth
Baume & Mercier Riviera 200m, silver dial/aquamarine bezel
Breitling Superocean 57, rose/stainless

Are there some photos of this watch? Was this sold on Ebay together with all the paperwork from Breitling indicating the serial#?

If the watch originally came from a Breitling AD with all the documentations, how can it be considered a replica by the buyer's local AD???

It would be considered a fake if the buyer took a fake to his local AD. We have no way of verifying that the watch he took to his dealer is the watch he received from Justin. It would be an ideal scam for the buyer to have a fake in his possession, buy a real Breitling, receive said Breitling, take the fake to the dealer to have it verified as such, file a claim with PayPal, using the AD's verification of the fake as "proof," return the fake to the seller, and keep the real watch. I'm not saying this is what happened; I don't know what happened. But the above scenario is perfectly plausible. It is also plausible that a person could sell a fake watch, claiming it is real, although this approach lacks creativity.

However, looking beyond the basic scenarios, a few things stand out. One, Justin is an established member here, and has earned the trust of other trustworthy members. Two, Justin's facts, on their face, add up. His account of the facts is plausible, and he has yet to say anything contradictory or that doesn't make sense. Three, Alcede's facts sound "off" to me. Not only are they presented in histrionic fashion (which detracts from their credibility), but in some ways they don't make sense. Consider the following:

- "I filed a complaint and he said I shipped it to the wrong address!" OK, that's possible, but Justin has acknowledged receiving the watch. He hasn't once claimed in here that he never received it, or that it was shipped to the wrong address. He claims he received a fake watch from the buyer. I suppose Justin could be telling different stories in different places, but it would make more sense that if he were really trying to scam someone, he'd pick his best story and stick with it. Or, if he's telling the truth, of course his story would not change. Without further evidence in support of his claim, Alcede's allegation doesn't pass the smell test.

- "He will be sued for slander very soon if criminal charges are not brought upon him!" What does this mean? Is Alcede saying he will forgo a slander (actually libel) suit if criminal charges are brought against Justin? Why not pursue both? This just sounds like more bellowing to me - bluster that has not been thought through.

- "I do not know this guys real name or address to pursue charges!" This is followed by, "The...package sent to me was...from a J. Fernandez [redacted] Provo UT. I shipped it back to the exact same address fed ex, which was signed for by J. Fernandez!" There is nothing suspicious about any of this information on its face, let alone proof the contact information is fake. The package was sent by a J. Fernandez, and was signed for by a J. Fernandez on its return. What's so fishy about that? Justin ("J") lists his location as Utah, which matches the address on the package. A quick search of Justin's B/S/T posts reveals his e-mail as "justin.d.fern @ gmail." Again, it all adds up. Conversely, Alcede's claim that he doesn't know the seller's real name or address does not make sense, and just sounds like more outlandish claims to make it sound like Justin is up to no good. (I'll also point out that it is not cool posting Justin's full address, when he hasn't already made it publicly available. Justin only listed Alcede's name and city, which was information already publicly posted on the Tactical Firearms website.)

- "I have a letter from the local authorized dealer that I brought it to proving it was fake." I've already been over this one. I believe the watch he showed the AD was a fake. The problem is, we don't know that the watch he took to the AD was the watch he received from Justin. The letter doesn't shed light on this matter either way.

- "Instead I believe this guy is posting this crap in hopes to win a dispute with my credit card company in which he has told them a completely different story!" Can he verify this? If it turned out Justin's report to his credit card company differed significantly from his account to us, that would certainly detract from his credibility. However, as it stands, Alcede's account is unsubstantiated. When viewed within the context of his other comments, I'm not inclined to give it much weight.

I deal with the criminal element on a regular basis. A lot of accused people proclaim their innocence at the tops of their lungs, including the guilty ones. Histrionics get a person nowhere. Giving a plausible account of facts and supporting that account with credible evidence is what wins the day. Right now, I'm not seeing that from Alcede, although I will keep an open mind in the event that he can show us more.