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 Post subject: Re: Blackbird is back!!
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:46 pm 
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I know you know this, so why question the logic?

OK, help me with this logic: what has your preference for the GMT bezel (or the Chronomat 44 bezel, for that matter) got to do with whether or not the compass bezel on the new Blackbird is a piece of crap?


Ok, maybe our lines are crossed. I DO agree the BB bezel is crap. I was commenting on how the newer GMTs had a real GMT bezel, vice diver type bezel. Subject: bezels. I can't understand why they put a big pip on a chronomat, but not on a superocean, but that's another subject... :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:43 pm 
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46crew wrote:
Ok, maybe our lines are crossed. I DO agree the BB bezel is crap. I was commenting on how the newer GMTs had a real GMT bezel, vice diver type bezel. Subject: bezels. I can't understand why they put a big pip on a chronomat, but not on a superocean, but that's another subject... :wink:

I agree: a GMT watch is best served by a GMT bezel. And don't even get me started on those damn Superoceans. I'm near enough to thrombosis stage as it is.

Something I haven't seen mentioned in this thread yet: with the new bezel comes a price increase. Current retail on the old Blackbird is $7485. The new Blackbird is $7980, and we don't even get the faceted bracelet or the killer lume. But wait, you say...it's a limited edition. Surely that must account for some of the price increase. Surely not. The GCII in not an LE, and yet it retails for $500 more than the Evo - $7000 compared to $6500. I guess that's the price we have to pay for "originality."


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:30 am 
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You know, the title of this thread just reminded me of something else totally original.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:19 am 
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JacksonStone wrote:
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Ok, maybe our lines are crossed. I DO agree the BB bezel is crap. I was commenting on how the newer GMTs had a real GMT bezel, vice diver type bezel. Subject: bezels. I can't understand why they put a big pip on a chronomat, but not on a superocean, but that's another subject... :wink:

I agree: a GMT watch is best served by a GMT bezel. And don't even get me started on those damn Superoceans. I'm near enough to thrombosis stage as it is.

Something I haven't seen mentioned in this thread yet: with the new bezel comes a price increase. Current retail on the old Blackbird is $7485. The new Blackbird is $7980, and we don't even get the faceted bracelet or the killer lume. But wait, you say...it's a limited edition. Surely that must account for some of the price increase. Surely not. The GCII in not an LE, and yet it retails for $500 more than the Evo - $7000 compared to $6500. I guess that's the price we have to pay for "originality."


Yeah it just boggles the mind. I do like a few of the new watches, but the BB was so anticipated, it could have been great. The faceted bracelet and lume on the sub-dial hands made it really cool, and they are gone. I hope they are still creating an in-house BB, and it will have everything we love. This is "limited" because they ran out of extra parts. :poke:

At least the new Cosmonaute looks perfect. :) I wish I had kept my BB..... :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:26 am 
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the blackbird to be perfect...was to pick up the older one put in a in-house mov. and a display back and the would probably make the best modern ling ever made

in the meanwhile i am going to stick whit these 2
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:32 pm 
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I really think the BB will be out in an in-house version, and I believe it will blow the old one out of the water. It's just a matter of time. Basel 2013 perhaps? The old bezel is just so dated IMO now. Too old type font, and the rider tabs and inter-rider tabs, they are no good compared to the new Chronomat. If I didn't have a new Chronomat 01 I probably wouldn't know the difference. But I do, so I do. I really, really want to go back and buy the BSBB, I have tried it on on 3 separate occasions, I just can't do it though when it's compared to my Chronomat 01 LE. If they do the BB just right, I can see myself maxing out my collection on the yet to be released new BB, a new BSBB, and a TO 1461. That would be an amazing year.


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I'm going to add more constructive criticism. I am clearly in the minority regarding the bezel font. I believe it is here to stay, and I like it.

I don't mind red accents. In fact, I own a Chronomat 01 LE, so clearly I like the red accents. That being said, I do not like the red around the date window but white font on the date wheel. They both need to be one colour in this dial in my opinion.

The case etc is all fine, but I do miss the faceted bracelet.

Finally, and most importantly, it is not in-house.

I was expecting a new Blackbird, first release LE, in-house, new bezel font, dial with some red accents, faceted bracelet, and of course a display back. If that was the case, I would be going to my AD today to make a deposit.

The biggest part of this piece that prevents me from going down to my AD is the lack of an in-house movement, and the inconstant use of the red accenting.

This goes along with the new TO 1461, if it was in-house, I would be all over it. I see no reason to discontinue the Blackbird then release it with the exact same movement.





Just back from an AD and with the Blackbird Red Strike. I too was a bit doubtful on the red accents but when viewed up close and personnel its quite stunning.
The model you refer too with the red around the date with the white markers on the date wheel is the Black steel. The Red Strike has white around the date dial BUT red markers.

There is a new model to which I think you refer and that is the Chronomat Blackbird, whilst this model has the Breitling Caliber 44 it has been modified to be high frequency.

Personally the Red Strike model for me is a true Blackbird with red accents around the dials/red large second hand and red markers on the calender and faceted bracelet. The last of this breed, I do however think that a blackbird with the 01 movement is the next evolutionary step??


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:41 pm 
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Arthur H wrote:
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I'm going to add more constructive criticism. I am clearly in the minority regarding the bezel font. I believe it is here to stay, and I like it.

I don't mind red accents. In fact, I own a Chronomat 01 LE, so clearly I like the red accents. That being said, I do not like the red around the date window but white font on the date wheel. They both need to be one colour in this dial in my opinion.

The case etc is all fine, but I do miss the faceted bracelet.

Finally, and most importantly, it is not in-house.

I was expecting a new Blackbird, first release LE, in-house, new bezel font, dial with some red accents, faceted bracelet, and of course a display back. If that was the case, I would be going to my AD today to make a deposit.

The biggest part of this piece that prevents me from going down to my AD is the lack of an in-house movement, and the inconstant use of the red accenting.

This goes along with the new TO 1461, if it was in-house, I would be all over it. I see no reason to discontinue the Blackbird then release it with the exact same movement.





Just back from an AD and with the Blackbird Red Strike. CONGRATS. I too was a bit doubtful on the red accents but when viewed up close and personnel its quite stunning.
The model you refer too with the red around the date with the white markers on the date wheel is the Black steel. NO, THE BSBB HAS A WHITE BORDER AND WHITE DATE WHEEL, THOUGH SOME MAY HAVE A RED BORDER. The Red Strike has white around the date dial BUT red markers.

There is a new model to which I think you refer and that is the Chronomat Blackbird . THIS IS THE BLACKBIRD LE JUST ANNOUNCED AT BASEL, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD , whilst this model has the Breitling Caliber 44 it has been modified to be high frequency. NO, IT IS THE SAME OLD BLACKBIRD 4 Hz MOVEMENT - 28,800 BPH, BASED ON THE ETA 2892

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:15 pm 
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Arthur H wrote:
JustinFournier wrote:
I'm going to add more constructive criticism. I am clearly in the minority regarding the bezel font. I believe it is here to stay, and I like it.

I don't mind red accents. In fact, I own a Chronomat 01 LE, so clearly I like the red accents. That being said, I do not like the red around the date window but white font on the date wheel. They both need to be one colour in this dial in my opinion.

The case etc is all fine, but I do miss the faceted bracelet.

Finally, and most importantly, it is not in-house.

I was expecting a new Blackbird, first release LE, in-house, new bezel font, dial with some red accents, faceted bracelet, and of course a display back. If that was the case, I would be going to my AD today to make a deposit.

The biggest part of this piece that prevents me from going down to my AD is the lack of an in-house movement, and the inconstant use of the red accenting.

This goes along with the new TO 1461, if it was in-house, I would be all over it. I see no reason to discontinue the Blackbird then release it with the exact same movement.





Just back from an AD and with the Blackbird Red Strike. I too was a bit doubtful on the red accents but when viewed up close and personnel its quite stunning.
The model you refer too with the red around the date with the white markers on the date wheel is the Black steel. The Red Strike has white around the date dial BUT red markers.

There is a new model to which I think you refer and that is the Chronomat Blackbird, whilst this model has the Breitling Caliber 44 it has been modified to be high frequency.

Personally the Red Strike model for me is a true Blackbird with red accents around the dials/red large second hand and red markers on the calender and faceted bracelet. The last of this breed, I do however think that a blackbird with the 01 movement is the next evolutionary step??


Sorry to say but the red strike in my opinion is the most recent variation and the less true blackbird ever existed... congrats on the watch anyway :lingsrock:

1 thing i like about the redstrike not present in any other BB, the limited edition number engraved on the side

i f you ever consider to sell that watch that is going to be very dificult to do at a good price, many people dont like it including me

they should name that model something like crosswind super sport not blackbird

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@Arthur H: What Sharkman said.


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sharkman did the replying for me, but I will add one thing. I do prefer the white date wheel text with the white border around it. I wouldn't mind it in red on red either, but I do not care for the white and red combination. The red strike is available in my area at a large discount. My local AD had 3 of them in stock at my last visit, and offered me a price of $5000 CDN for one new. I passed, but here it is, in the polished version for reference. As a matter of fact when I went to look at the red strike, I had this pic as a reference for a while and I planned to walk out with one, but I walked out with a Chronomat 01 LE. A much more impressive piece in my opinion.

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JustinFournier wrote:
As a matter of fact when I went to look at the red strike, I had this pic as a reference for a while and I planned to walk out with one, but I walked out with a Chronomat 01 LE. A much more impressive piece in my opinion.

Between the Red Strike and the Chronomat 01 LE, I think I'd go with the Chronomat, too, although I'd take the Red Strike over the new Blackbird.


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JacksonStone wrote:
Between the Red Strike and the Chronomat 01 LE, I think I'd go with the Chronomat, too, although I'd take the Red Strike over the new Blackbird.


Ditto. The polished blackbird in itself it still an issue for me. The other AD here has a BSBB, I would take that over the Red Strike. They even have a BS deployant in stock to match it. Had he offered it to me for the same price as the Red Strike, I would take it. But they want a little more than I can do when I look at the bezel.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:34 pm 
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this picture was perfect if it was darker... so dark that we could not see that bezel and lume hehehe

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JustinFournier wrote:
The polished blackbird in itself it still an issue for me.

Sorry, I'm betraying my ignorance - I can't remember if the RS was also offered in brushed, or polished only. To me, Blackbirds should be brushed.


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