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This really sucks, and sends a shiver through any of us who have sold a watch. I know this doesn't help the current situation, but I'm curious: can PayPal do a chargeback if the money has been removed from the account into which it was transferred? Tom, I know you have a separate account you use for sales, so you can transfer the money out when you get it. I have two accounts with the same bank; as soon as the funds transfer from PayPal, I transfer them to the other account. Could PapPal still get to it?

Also, I've been tempted to request wire payments in my listings, but it seems a lot of people associate them with scams. Does asking for a wire scare off buyers?

I will put right in a FS thread from here on out that pp is increasingly being used by buyers to scam sellers and only face-to-face cash or bank wire. F### 'em if they don't want to play. Someone will buy sooner or later. We've seen too many buyer bullshit scams costing legit/honest sellers money through this empty box or non-existent fake watch junk.

In answer to you other ?, pp has access to the linked accounts only. I have several accounts linked to my pp which means they could grab the $$ from wherever they want to. But only if the account is linked to pp.

I can't think of a valid reason to use pp at all for watch sales. All someone has to do is whisper "I object" and they jerk your money with no protection to THE SELLER. That's the problem.

Justin needs to sue this little prick. And get a a higher up to get criminal complaint filed. I'd love to have the name, city, state - if even privately - as there is potential info I can access with a few keystrokes.

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Let me see if I understand this: if account A is linked, and account B is not linked, a seller could wait to ship the watch until the funds transferred from PayPal into account A, then from account A to account B, and PayPal couldn't touch it. Is that right? Why wouldn't this be a secure way to handle the sale? If the buyer files a claim before you ship, you've still got the watch. If he files it after you've gotten the money out of the linked account, then PayPal can't do anything, and it's up to the buyer to initiate other legal action to get the funds back - unlikely if the guy is scamming. Or am I missing something?

I hope the OP does provide you with that information. I'm sure your ability to research the guy's background would prove very helpful.

I can give the names of his neighbors! Every residence, deeds, median incomes, price paid for residence, relatives, liens, criminal record, even names of anyone else using his social. Of course I wouldn't post any of that.

Really, the stuff I can grab in less than 5 minutes from one source is spooky. Frankly, I don't like it. It's the age we live in.

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This dirt bag is banking on not only getting a free watch, but is hoping the true owner of such a watch is too much of a gentleman or too wealthy to press this.

The police are lazy, indifferent, and have no interest in helping you. They were picked on in high school and probably resent someone who would own a 5k watch to begin with.

Private investigator? Too pricey?

If you know where this guy works, do you know what he does? I would love to know if his income is typical of someone buying a 5k watch? I can't imagine a succesful person going down this path for 5k.

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It's almost enough to make me want to be a hermit sometimes.

He doesn't need a PI. If Justin wants whatever info a PI can get, I'll send it to him privately....free. It doesn't cost me anything.

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That is really ugly stuff..

There's scams with Cashiers Checks and Money Wires. Even Postal Money Orders have been faked....

All the same result. The buyer steals your watch and you get NOTHING...


You have to research your buyer, or only sell to established pre-owned watch re-sellers....You take a bigger loss, but you have a better chance of getting paid...

thought that my experiance with a scammer was bad but this one really is terrible... cannot believe what he did!!!!

good luck!

hopefully everything goes right, we can help and you get the money back...

I would be very surprised if it was either a wealthy person, or even your average working joe who saved up enough to buy a Ling. This person evidently perpetrated a scam, and I'd bet it was a charge on his credit card - assuming the credit card actually is his, which it might not have been. It wouldn't make sense to front cash in a situation like this.

I wonder, Justin, how can you be sure the info you have on the buyer is correct? If the guy was really intent on scamming, why would he be truthful with the contact info?

I used to handle credit card disputes for a major bank years ago and you can win against the fraudulent chargeback from the buyer's credit card company. CONTINUE THE DISPUTE with Paypal and let them fight it out with the credit card company. Paypal will review your case again and will ask you for a more detailed information regarding the transaction that they can use as evidence to dispute the fraudulent chargeback. The truth will always come out in the end.

So here's the deal.. The guys name is Jeremy Alcede from Katy TX. It's a suburb of Houston. I've done some research found out some info on him and will try to pursue him. As for the paypal issue: eBay decided in my favor but he later filed a credit card chargeback with visa and sobpaypal got involved again because they were the medium by which the paymet was processed.

It's all a bunch of BS. I spoke to another police officer and he said that with Internet crimes, there is virtually no way to get restitution if the criminal is in a different state. The cop told me that he once heard that paypal has a double jeopardy clause in order to protect buyers from chargebacks after disputes were decided in their favor. I guess I can call paypal out on that one..

Anyways.... Its starting to look like I'm up a creek without a paddle.

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Surely if you gathered all the info from when you purchased the watch plus photos of the watch (of any kind) you could use that as evidence against him. At least you can say you have been in possession of the real thing.

I would also use the legal system to put as much pressure on him as well e.g. get a letter from a lawyer, with their letterhead on it to say you are going to proceed with legal action, and that all communication will now take place through that lawyer, etc. If you get a lawyer that likes fighting dirty then you might even get it sent to his place of work to try to "recover funds" from his salary. You may not get far from a legal standpoint but you might scar him into paying you back or returning the watch.

That's my 2 cents worth......

Man, this just sucks the life out of you, doesn't it? That someone could be so cold and cynical and dishonest. My heart goes out to you Jadan.

I wish you a speedy solution to this horrible debacle Jadanf.

I look forward to the day when I read on here that you have resolved this situation with the help of your friends here on Breitlingsource.

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