Are you ready for another price increase???

FEAR · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 5:28 pm

Roffensian wrote:

FEAR wrote:

superavenger is finally getting priced where it should have been, its be too cheap for what it is for years, and remember in 2010 there was no price increase, it maybe a little much, but its kinda where it should have been.

OK, you've now lost me completely. What on earth makes the SA worthy of a list price of $5,200?

the fact they sell out of them, all the time. all the other 48mm watches are 4k more. they are the most popular model now

FEAR · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 5:30 pm

rolex just went up 8% today btw

JacksonStone · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 5:36 pm

FEAR wrote:

the fact they sell out of them, all the time. all the other 48mm watches are 4k more. they are the most popular model now

In the end, I guess the market will determine whether or not it will bear the increase. As for myself, I'm out. Too much new crap, too many classic models phased out, price changes in inverse proportion to the desirability of the offerings - no thanks. Current Breitlings are off my radar now. All of them. Period. The aftermarket may be something else again, but Breitling won't reap the benefit of that. Neither will ADs who only deal in new stock.

Roffensian · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 5:37 pm

FEAR wrote:

Roffensian wrote:

FEAR wrote:

superavenger is finally getting priced where it should have been, its be too cheap for what it is for years, and remember in 2010 there was no price increase, it maybe a little much, but its kinda where it should have been.

OK, you've now lost me completely. What on earth makes the SA worthy of a list price of $5,200?

the fact they sell out of them, all the time. all the other 48mm watches are 4k more. they are the most popular model now

I'll buy that argument when they sell for list price.

FEAR · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 5:43 pm

Roffensian wrote:

I'll buy that argument when they sell for list price.

NONE of em sell for list price, what does that have to do with anything??

mfserge · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 5:50 pm

I rarely agree with Roff but if a watch is worthy of it's price tag then it should sell at or close to list. Since the SA, and just about every Breitling for that matter, doesn't sell at or close to list, means they aren't worthy of the price. Sorry to all the SA lovers out there, but at $5,200 it's way overpriced for what it is!!!

Yes, Rolex had an 8% increase but I do feel that Rolex watches are worthy of their price tag, they sell at or near list, they retain their value, and they're exceptional watches IMO. I might actually be able to make a profit on my GMT with this new price increase. They're not for everyone, there are plenty of haters out there (I used to be one) but they're the perfect watch for my tastes.

FEAR · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 5:54 pm

mfserge wrote:

I rarely agree with Roff but if a watch is worthy of it's price tag then it should sell at or close to list. Since the SA, and just about every Breitling for that matter, doesn't sell at or close to list, means they aren't worthy of the price. Sorry to all the SA lovers out there, but at $5,200 it's way overpriced for what it is!!!

Yes, Rolex had an 8% increase but I do feel that Rolex watches are worthy of their price tag, they sell at or near list, and they're exceptional watches IMO. they're not for everyone, there are plenty of haters out there (I used to be one) but they're the perfect watch for my tastes.

for the most part, not the people on here who know better, most people pay near list for their watches, members here are the minority, by a ton.

mfserge · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 6:02 pm

FEAR wrote:

for the most part, not the people on here who know better, most people pay near list for their watches, members here are the minority, by a ton.

That's a good point, I'm sure there are a bunch of loaded folks who go into an ad and drop serious coin on their lings without thinking twice about the price.....and dont a have a clue what bsource is.

I still can't imagine paying $5,200 for a SA or an Avenger. I had two Avengers and they're not worth more than $2,500 to me. Oh well.

sharkman · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 6:51 pm

We surely are a minority, no doubt. I suspect most people who buy a nice watch assume you get to haggle on two things - houses and cars. The thought never crosses their mind.

The economic reality of this whole increase is certainly understandable. And they are all doing it - Breitling, Rolex, IWC. JLC had a price increase in the last 6 months.

Oh well, I'm still gonna stay pissed for a little while longer. Though it is hard having just swapped out the ProII for the DPII on my black dial Steelfish. Life is so unfair. :roll:

FEAR · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 6:55 pm

there isnt a single watch company who hasnt had a good sized increase in 6 months, not a stinking one em. one i know went up 20% on gold pieces!!!

boogiebot · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 7:41 pm

Roffensian wrote:

JacksonStone wrote:

sharkman wrote:

I'd prefer to stay pissed off a bit longer, thank you. :wink:

I think it makes sense to be pissed off. Even if it isn't Breitling's "fault" this time, the increase does not benefit American consumers. Just because the dollar is weakening doesn't mean we're earning more of them to compensate. Thus, the watches aren't "cheaper" for those of us in this market. I understand the concern of ADs in other markets, but as one who is directly and adversely affected by the increase, I still feel it's OK to be unhappy about it, regardless of whose decision it is.

I never said it was a benefit to American consumers, but it's the nature of the beast with an imported product. If the dollar continues to weaken (or stay at the current level for an extended period) you are going to see the same thing with things like European cars. It's the same thing that a lot of the rest of the world lives with every day - that doesn't make it right, but it's inevitable.

I actually suspect that Breitling doesn't want to make this change - they know that it will hit sales in the US, and damage a fragile recovery but the only way to ensure that global pricing remains consistent is to raise prices in the weak currency market or lower prices in every other (relatively) strong currency market, and we all know that's not going to happen.

i dont know about the car thing. in 2004 i bought a MB E500 for 86k. i was offered that same car this year with a ton more options for around 80k.

boogiebot · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 8:06 pm

sharkman wrote:

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Slim pick-ins on the preowned shark market lately!!

Satisfaction arrived at a good time. I can't think of a single watch I truly want, other than some topping $25K and I simply refuse to go there. I'll just have to suffer through with a measly 10.

couldnt agree with your more shark. i am sitting on a few pieces and absolutely love what i have. at this point there is no reason for me to add anything. nor am i craving anything.

as for the price increases...what can i say but :evil:

! i do feel that its getting out of control. 10k for a navi? you F******* kidding me? i would never pay that. it gets to a point where the pricing is ridiculous. and right now its sitting at that...ridiculous.

for now im out of breitling indefinitely. nothing in their lineup is remotely appealing. and for watches in general for a bit. i will still cruise the boards and look at pics. but these increases have made this a hobby that i am only willing to enjoy from the sidelines.

46crew · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 8:34 pm

mfserge wrote:

Are we nearing the tipping point where these items are becoming too expensive? I'd never consider a Navi 01 now at close to 10k...and as much as I love the Subs, at $8k it's just tooooooo damn expensive now.

Serge, I'm with ya. I was seriously looking at getting the new Sub c, but now I'm not too happy. So what's the alternative with Breitling? The new Chronomat GMT will no doubt be 10k! Between the two, I'll go with the Sub. Remember when the Sub stayed around 5k? Granted, the new ceramic bezel and movement is what is attracting me. Plus I LOVE the new clasp. I'm just upset that it's getting further away from me. Maybe I will strike on the pre-owned market for a while...

46crew · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 8:48 pm

mfserge wrote:

I rarely agree with Roff but if a watch is worthy of it's price tag then it should sell at or close to list. Since the SA, and just about every Breitling for that matter, doesn't sell at or close to list, means they aren't worthy of the price. Sorry to all the SA lovers out there, but at $5,200 it's way overpriced for what it is!!!

Yes, Rolex had an 8% increase but I do feel that Rolex watches are worthy of their price tag, they sell at or near list, theyhttp://breitlingsource.com/phpBB2/p ... &p=223317# retain their value, and they're exceptional watches IMO. I might actually be able to make a profit on my GMT with this new price increase. They're not for everyone, there are plenty of haters out there (I used to be one) but they're the perfect watch for my tastes.

As much as I love my SA's, this is true. I bought my last one right before the last increase in Feb!! $5200 for a SA?? That's crazy talk. And it's that way for many models. I know it's been discussed a million times, but Breitling doesn't hold their value as well because they discount. (JMO) Rolex doesn't discount (usually) and they hold their value a lot more. Like Serge, I could make a profit from my GMTIIc. I got it in early 2010 from a buddy who snagged it for me pre-owned. It was in mint condition with all the extras, and I paid $5300. I will never part with it, and I have a good feeling it's worth more now. I never liked Rolex because they seemed too small for my 8" wrist. But the thicker lugs made all the difference. Ok, I'm straying off topic, so let me finish by saying that I think we will see an increase in the preowned market as well......which is good...........if you're selling.

boogiebot · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 9:38 pm

46crew wrote:

mfserge wrote:

I rarely agree with Roff but if a watch is worthy of it's price tag then it should sell at or close to list. Since the SA, and just about every Breitling for that matter, doesn't sell at or close to list, means they aren't worthy of the price. Sorry to all the SA lovers out there, but at $5,200 it's way overpriced for what it is!!!

Yes, Rolex had an 8% increase but I do feel that Rolex watches are worthy of their price tag, they sell at or near list, theyhttp://breitlingsource.com/phpBB2/p ... &p=223317# retain their value, and they're exceptional watches IMO. I might actually be able to make a profit on my GMT with this new price increase. They're not for everyone, there are plenty of haters out there (I used to be one) but they're the perfect watch for my tastes.

As much as I love my SA's, this is true. I bought my last one right before the last increase in Feb!! $5200 for a SA?? That's crazy talk. And it's that way for many models. I know it's been discussed a million times, but Breitling doesn't hold their value as well because they discount. (JMO) Rolex doesn't discount (usually) and they hold their value a lot more. Like Serge, I could make a profit from my GMTIIc. I got it in early 2010 from a buddy who snagged it for me pre-owned. It was in mint condition with all the extras, and I paid $5300. I will never part with it, and I have a good feeling it's worth more now. I never liked Rolex because they seemed too small for my 8" wrist. But the thicker lugs made all the difference. Ok, I'm straying off topic, so let me finish by saying that I think we will see an increase in the preowned market as well......which is good...........if you're selling.

46crew the GMT II c is a beauty. if you grabbed it for 5300 youre extremely lucky. and you are right breitling resale value is crap. 5200 for an SA??? now thats pricey. i admit its a great looking piece but i think its more than what i would be willing to pay for it. considering all the used ones you can snag for almost half of that.

and you are right rolex does not discount as much so the resale value is better but then again i suppose its all relative. its been discussed on here before in regards to used pricing for rolex vs breitling. and maybe in ratio the hit that you take on a rolex when you sell it vs the hit that you take on a Ling when you sell it, fairs out better for the rolex owners.

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