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Well some guys with some good experiences with their B01's. That's encouraging to hear, but so far in this thread, at least from those responding, it's 50/50 for problems vs. no problems.
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No problems with quality on my Navi B01 LTD. Everything looks, feels and functions as it should.

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No problems with quality on my Navi B01 LTD. Everything looks, feels and functions as it should.

Excellent. :thumbsup: Hopefully you'll have no problems.
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The content of Breitling's last e-mail on the Montbrillant LE, which all who are subscribed received, certainly contradicts the problems that so many members here had to or/and are facing with the 01 caliber.

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"Today, the Montbrillant is associating its name with another milestone in the history of the brand with the winged B by hosting Breitling’s Caliber 01, the most reliable and efficient of all selfwinding chronograph movements, produced using a revolutionary assembly process."

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Would anyone expect them to say otherwise?
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Would anyone expect them to say otherwise?


Not really. :x

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the most reliable and efficient of all selfwinding chronograph movements



How the heck can you claim that with a straight face for a movement that hasn't yet reached it's 3rd birthday in the real world?????? Heck they shouldn't have any clue yet because if it was completely reliable they wouldn't have had any back for service yet.

The Breitling hyperbole is truly bizarre at times.
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br549 wrote:
Well some guys with some good experiences with their B01's. That's encouraging to hear, but so far in this thread, at least from those responding, it's 50/50 for problems vs. no problems.



Since we're counting, my Navi 01 was perfect.

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br549 wrote:
chubacabra wrote:
Hi all - I guess I'm one of the unfortunate ones that have experienced issues with my B01. I purchased the Chronomat B01 Limited on Dec 31 and the watch was running slow at a rate of -4 seconds/day, which i accepted. The main issue I had was two fold - the date would not completely turn over and remain stuck in-between numbers. I thought it was some kind of coincidence but it occurred three times in a three week span.

The second issue I encountered with the watch was that the hands somehow lost alignment. For instance when the watch hit noon, the hour hand rested behind 12 and not on 12. When the minute hand moved to 10 past, the hour hand would then be aligned at 12. When I first purchased the watch, the date would change exactly at 12 am but is now changing when it hits 10 past.

I went back to my AD today to see if they could exchange it for a new one but stated that there is a very low chance that they will exchange it for a new one. This is quite disturbing as I did not pay $50 for this watch and did not expect such issues to occur with their in-house movements. I know every company has their "lemons" but this is the second Breitling that I purchased in the past 6 months that was defective (another long story, concerning my SuperOcean).

I'll provide feedback as soon as I receive some news from my AD.

Welcome to the site.
Sorry to hear about your problem with the Chronomat and the SO as well. That has to be really frustrating.
Please do keep us apprised of the outcome.

BTW I love your screen name. My wife and I have a standing joke about the Chubacabra. I take the side that it actually exists (jokingly) and she the opposite, so every time there's something in the news about it, I present it as "hard evidence" or "proof" to her and really get her hot under the collar. :lol:

Can't say as I have any first hand knowledge of problems with the B01's. Mine's doing just fine.
BTW, actually its chu[b]p[b]acabra. Roughly translated to goat blood sucker.

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RXPete wrote:
Since we're counting, my Navi 01 was perfect.

akguppy wrote:
Can't say as I have any first hand knowledge of problems with the B01's. Mine's doing just fine.

Thanks ak and Peter, great to hear some more good news. :)
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F14D_Tomcat wrote:
The content of Breitling's last e-mail on the Montbrillant LE, which all who are subscribed received, certainly contradicts the problems that so many members here had to or/and are facing with the 01 caliber.

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"Today, the Montbrillant is associating its name with another milestone in the history of the brand with the winged B by hosting Breitling’s Caliber 01, the most reliable and efficient of all selfwinding chronograph movements, produced using a revolutionary assembly process."

That's a pretty darned bold statement. I don't see in that sentence where they qualify and limit that remark to a comparison between only Breitling (modified ETA) movements and the B01, but instead appear to make it all encompassing to include all other manufactures. Sounds like they are throwing down the gauntlet. I guess at this point reliability remains to be seen, but as to efficiency, aren't there other manufactures who make more "efficient" movements? I'm assuming efficiency being measured by power reserve or is there some other measure of efficiency?
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br549 wrote:
F14D_Tomcat wrote:
The content of Breitling's last e-mail on the Montbrillant LE, which all who are subscribed received, certainly contradicts the problems that so many members here had to or/and are facing with the 01 caliber.

Quote:
"Today, the Montbrillant is associating its name with another milestone in the history of the brand with the winged B by hosting Breitling’s Caliber 01, the most reliable and efficient of all selfwinding chronograph movements, produced using a revolutionary assembly process."

That's a pretty darned bold statement. I don't see in that sentence where they qualify and limit that remark to a comparison between only Breitling (modified ETA) movements and the B01, but instead appear to make it all encompassing to include all other manufactures. Sounds like they are throwing down the gauntlet. I guess at this point reliability remains to be seen, but as to efficiency, aren't there other manufactures who make more "efficient" movements? I'm assuming efficiency being measured by power reserve or is there some other measure of efficiency?



I guess technically efficiency would be the amount of the power reserve that is transferred to the actual operation of the watch. That's pretty tough to measure objectively, but we can establish where friction is introduced into the process. If we assume that the movement is properly lubricated then design can do a little bit to manage friction, but by and large all chrono movements are created equal - the same number of pivots, eache jewelled, etc.

Modern technology is helping with friction with materials like silicon or even diamond / diamond coated silicon that do have lower soefficients of friction - Breitling doesn't use any of those technologies.

In terms of the chrono engagement, there are a number of different ways that can be achieved and the B01 is the first modern Breitling to use a column wheel chrono which is more efficient than a tilting pinion that is used in ETA / Valjoux movements, but that's not unique by any means (El Primero uses it among many others). It's also not the most efficient with some interesting new chrono engagement approaches developed in recent years, Cartier springs to mind.

In short, (in my opinion) Breitling's full of it.
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br549 wrote:
F14D_Tomcat wrote:
The content of Breitling's last e-mail on the Montbrillant LE, which all who are subscribed received, certainly contradicts the problems that so many members here had to or/and are facing with the 01 caliber.

Quote:
"Today, the Montbrillant is associating its name with another milestone in the history of the brand with the winged B by hosting Breitling’s Caliber 01, the most reliable and efficient of all selfwinding chronograph movements, produced using a revolutionary assembly process."

That's a pretty darned bold statement. I don't see in that sentence where they qualify and limit that remark to a comparison between only Breitling (modified ETA) movements and the B01, but instead appear to make it all encompassing to include all other manufactures. Sounds like they are throwing down the gauntlet. I guess at this point reliability remains to be seen, but as to efficiency, aren't there other manufactures who make more "efficient" movements? I'm assuming efficiency being measured by power reserve or is there some other measure of efficiency?



I guess technically efficiency would be the amount of the power reserve that is transferred to the actual operation of the watch. That's pretty tough to measure objectively, but we can establish where friction is introduced into the process. If we assume that the movement is properly lubricated then design can do a little bit to manage friction, but by and large all chrono movements are created equal - the same number of pivots, eache jewelled, etc.

Modern technology is helping with friction with materials like silicon or even diamond / diamond coated silicon that do have lower soefficients of friction - Breitling doesn't use any of those technologies.

In terms of the chrono engagement, there are a number of different ways that can be achieved and the B01 is the first modern Breitling to use a column wheel chrono which is more efficient than a tilting pinion that is used in ETA / Valjoux movements, but that's not unique by any means (El Primero uses it among many others). It's also not the most efficient with some interesting new chrono engagement approaches developed in recent years, Cartier springs to mind.

In short, (in my opinion) Breitling's full of it.

Thanks for that very comprehensive answer Roff.
BTW I really miss your technical articles. Haven't seen one in a while. :(
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BTW I really miss your technical articles. Haven't seen one in a while. :(



Thanks Elwyn, I'll see what I can pull together. I got some 'interesting' feedback from some people so stopped bothering.
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br549 wrote:
BTW I really miss your technical articles. Haven't seen one in a while. :(



Thanks Elwyn, I'll see what I can pull together. I got some 'interesting' feedback from some people so stopped bothering.


I'm quite certain that those of us that enjoyed reading them and learning from them far out number the jackasses.

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