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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:15 am 
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I note that the first paragraph of this thread specifically said that my views weren't wanted here, so I'll refrain, but to the Swatch movement point.........

By the end of 2010 Swatch has said that they won't provide ebauches, or more accurately in Breitling's case chablons, to companies outside of the Swatch Group. They will still provide completed movements, but to be used as such. In other words, if Breitling wishes to use ETA movements then they need to do so as is. I don't know the details, but I am sure that Swatch will agree to decoration, etc, but they aren't providing base movements for external elaboration and refinement.

That doesn't mean that Breitling has to go completely in house in terms of movements though. The base movements are all a long way past patent protection and there is no reason why other companies can't produce the designs - Sellita have been doing that for years. Part of the tooling up of Breitling for in house production has also included the ability to produce parts of the ETA / Valjoux movements so they can continue to produce parts in house, source parts from other suppliers, etc. They'll still be ETA / Valjoux designs, just not produced by ETA / Valjoux any more. Even if they are completely produced inside Breitling they wouldn't be considered in house movements as they are just copies of existing movements.


Is this your opinion that they wont be in house movements? Or is there a certain set of standards? Just curious.



There are no standards for what constitutes being a manufacture (i.e. producing in house movements), as has been discussed before that's what makes it difficult to compare. However it's not simply my opinion - you can't copy an out of patent design and call yourself a manufacture - that's readily accepted by anyone in the industry - heck if that was considered in house then the higher end Chinese fakes have 'in house' movements because they are Chinese copies of ETA / Valjoux calibers.


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I completely see where you are coming from. However a very small retool could consider it in house in some peoples eyes.

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GZGym1 wrote:
I completely see where you are coming from. However a very small retool could consider it in house in some peoples eyes.


No one who knows anything about watch movements would consider it in house.

Some people might think that a 35 year old Ford Pinto was a nice car, but it doesn't make it true. And please don't take that as an opportunity to take the thread off topic about Pintos.


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Hey the only thing I will say about Pintos is they are damn good beans.

I completely agree Roff. I just like covering both sides of the coin.

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Hey, if we get any type of confirmation of an in house with display back in either a Navi World or Blackbird... then my current World and Evo will be up for sale REAL fast! Something tells me I am setting myself up for another disappointment from Breitling.... :?

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Could be. I do see a B01 Navi coming. Whether or not its a DB is still a complete guess.

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I do see a B01 Navi coming.


Well yes, as it has been confirmed you would.


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R the sources 100% legit? I forget where they came from.

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R the sources 100% legit? I forget where they came from.


As I said, they have been confirmed.


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I would really like them to develop a strap changing system similar to Panerai. Breitling do some of the best strap and clasp options and it would be great to be able to change straps easily without a risk of damaging the watch similar to that available on Panerai watches.


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I would really like them to develop a strap changing system similar to Panerai. Breitling do some of the best strap and clasp options and it would be great to be able to change straps easily without a risk of damaging the watch similar to that available on Panerai watches.


If altering the strap/bracelet changing system, I'd try to do it even better than Panerai. Something similar to the JLC quick change system would be a dream! It takes about 15 seconds to change, and is completely scratch free.

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My wish-list is quite long, but I'd be glad if only half of it come true. What I miss from Breitling's past 2-3 years is innovations. Except for the B01 movement, of course.

1) B01 movement in Blackbird, Chronomat Evo (!), Navitimer, Navitimer World, SuperOcean Heritage Chrono

2) In-house non-chrono movement in every Aeromarine non-chrono models, and also the Galactic

3) Chronospace Lite, at 42 or 43mm. I love the bold design of the 48mm beast, but it's way too large for me

4) Bracelet quick-change system

5) GlideLock clone: tool-less adjustment of the bracelet length. Breitling already done that on the Ocean Racer rubber strap, so I don't see a reason why not to put that onto a steel bracelet

6) B-1 comeback

7) A quartz retro throwback watch with a single, old-style LCD display. Just copy the Pluton, and name it Pluton :wink:

8, Bracelets with both polished and brushed links again (e.g. the Fighter bracelet of the B-1)

9) Limited edition Navitimer and/or Cosmonaute with display-back and in-house movement

10) 22mm mesh bracelet, so I can put a Breitling mesh on my Chrono-Matic 8)

11) A 38mm sporty looking quartz diver for ladies (my wife would love that)

12) Fancy features, just a quick list: radio control, GPS, thermometer, accelerometer, rechargable battery with solar panel and/or kinetic drive

13) New materials: ceramic bezel, ceramic dial, nylon strap, NATO-style strap, kevlar strap

14) Blue or white lume (Rolex and Omega already did that)

15) A special in-house electronic movement like Tag Heuer's Calibre S

16) 42mm SuperOcean Heritage "Middle-Size"

17) More dial and bezel colour choices for SuperOcean II. Black & black is the only choice right now, if you don't count the bezel ring. Also, a brushed tool-watch variant of the SO II would be cool

18) More Bentleys in the sub-43mm size

19) More colour choices for rubber straps. Maybe even bi-color rubber straps.

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I like your list, Fiery! :thumbsup:

I totally agree with 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 13, 14, 19.

The others - well, I've got no personal desire to see anything under 44mm, and quartz and fancy GPS/thermometers etc don't do it for me I'm afraid, but I can see they'd all have a market if Breitling made them.

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I'm all for in-house movements (whatever that means), as long as it doesn't affect the price points much, at least not in the entry-level watches. Sure, put fancy movements in some Navitimers and Windriders and charge more for them, but keep the Colts, Superoceans, and Avengers where they are.

Regarding Blacksteel models, it seems some people don't like those, to the point of saying you want there to be fewer of them. Okay...why do you care? It's not like they're cancelling other watches to make room for them.

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4) Bracelet quick-change system

5) GlideLock clone: tool-less adjustment of the bracelet length. Breitling already done that on the Ocean Racer rubber strap, so I don't see a reason why not to put that onto a steel bracelet


Totally agree with both of these.

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6) B-1 comeback

12) Fancy features, just a quick list: radio control, GPS, thermometer, accelerometer, rechargable battery with solar panel and/or kinetic drive


I would like to see a couple more feature-rich quartz watches. Breitling has the superquartz technology (We have the technology!) to make hyper-accurate watches with lots of features, but they only do this in a couple models.

Oh yeah, and the new Superocean needs more dial colors. Changing the color of a small ring around the dial is not a dial color choice.

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