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I note that the first paragraph of this thread specifically said that my views weren't wanted here, so I'll refrain, but to the Swatch movement point.........


Never said I didn't want you "views", what I was trying to say is that in your thread you stated your opinion and then kept having to defend it, I was trying to get the opinions of everybody, even you.

I wouldn't ask someone in an open forum not to post their opinion, that's kinda what they're for right? To share out views and discuss what we agree and disagree on.

Thanks for the info on the ETA/Valjoux movements.

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Roffensian wrote:
I note that the first paragraph of this thread specifically said that my views weren't wanted here, so I'll refrain


Holy cow you are a sensitive guy. I certainly didn't read it as saying your views weren't wanted. You get very defensive.

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I would LOVE to see an in house movement in a seawolf. And regarding a ceramic bezel, i am willing to pay for it as long as the price point is reasonable. That said, i don't think i'll ever pick an in house seawolf over a DSSD though.


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All I'd like to see from Breitling is the B01 in a Navitimer and Chronomat. If they did nothing esle, I'd be happy with that.

That's not to say I don't like the ideas expressed in this post but for now, that's good enough for me.

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There are a lot of things that I would like to see from Breitling.

1- I'd like to see the use of Ceramics in the bezel. I would like to see how this would look on a Breitling...good concept.
2- Please stop making everything in Blacksteel. One or two models is more than Plenty I completely agree with you here Serge
3- I actually like the idea of different color bezel rings, i.e. SuperOcean II. I'd like to see this concept in other models. I would love to see Breitling incorporate their trademark yellow into more models
4 - Put the In House Movement in more models, specifically Navitimer and SuperOcean Heritage Chrono and or Non-Chrono. I'm not a big fan of non-chronos, but I can see how this could be a wise move. I think everyone that is a member on this forum wants more options with in house movements...and the Navitimer would be the best place to start. I would like to see the 2nd one released on the Blackbird. I would also like to see more models with a display back.
5 - Please stop making a minor change to an existing model and calling it a limited edition. Limited editions should be under 500!!! not 1,000 of each color combo. That's just stupid! This one does not bother me that much
6 - I'd like to see a drastic reduction in the number of Bentley Models being produced. 4 or 5 and that's it! Let's use those resources in other ways. Most of the Bentley line looks similar to me...and most of them are too big for me to pull off, so I am all for them reducing the models offered in the B4B line
7- I'd really like to see a closed-end leather/rubber strap option. At the risk of sounding stoopid...what is this?
8- Take the Chrono-Galatic and please make it in a man's size; love the watch but hate the small size. This watch does nothing for me, but I agree it is very small.
9- I'd like to see Breitling give Breitling Source a Limited Edition Watch!!! God yes!!!


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John, I'd like to see the in-house movement in the blackbird and chronomat as well. I totally agree with you on Breitling incorporating more yellow in their watches. I love what they did on the Code Yellow.

A closed end strap is a strap where the end (that meets the lugs) conforms to the shape of the case. Take a look at this thread, notice how the end is the same shape as the case. Most bracelets have an end link the same shape as the case, this is the same concept for a leather or rubber strap. Id love to see this option on a Breitling.

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Thanks for the quick lesson...that image illustrates it perfectly. :thumbsup:


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mfserge wrote:
Roffensian wrote:
I note that the first paragraph of this thread specifically said that my views weren't wanted here, so I'll refrain


Holy cow you are a sensitive guy. I certainly didn't read it as saying your views weren't wanted. You get very defensive.


Not defensive at all - statement of fact. You get very upset when you feel that people are reading too much into your statements so you should probably not do the same.

The statement was - "So, I know that some of this may have been covered in Roff's 10,000th post, but I think most of that 8 page thread consisted of Roff defending his position. I'm more interested in what everyone else would like to see them do. "

Emphasis added by me.

For the record, not upset, not sensitive, not defensive, just explaining why I wasn't commenting further. Apologies if that wasn't clear, I trust that it is now clearer.


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Roffensian wrote:
The statement was - "So, I know that some of this may have been covered in Roff's 10,000th post, but I think most of that 8 page thread consisted of Roff defending his position. I'm more interested in what everyone else would like to see them do. "

Emphasis added by me.

For the record, not upset, not sensitive, not defensive, just explaining why I wasn't commenting further. Apologies if that wasn't clear, I trust that it is now clearer.


OK, I see what you're saying, but that's not what I meant. By everyone else I meant everyone on the forum, shoulda left the "else" out.

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mfserge wrote:
There are a lot of things that I would like to see from Breitling.

1- I'd like to see the use of Ceramics in the bezel.
2- Please stop making everything in Blacksteel. One or two models is more than Plenty
3- I actually like the idea of different color bezel rings, i.e. SuperOcean II. I'd like to see this concept in other models.
4 - Put the In House Movement in more models, specifically Navitimer and SuperOcean Heritage Chrono and or Non-Chrono. I'm not a big fan of non-chronos, but I can see how this could be a wise move.
5 - Please stop making a minor change to an existing model and calling it a limited edition. Limited editions should be under 500!!! not 1,000 of each color combo. That's just stupid!
6 - I'd like to see a drastic reduction in the number of Bentley Models being produced. 4 or 5 and that's it! Let's use those resources in other ways.
7- I'd really like to see a closed-end leather/rubber strap option.
8- Take the Chrono-Galatic and please make it in a man's size; love the watch but hate the small size.
9- I'd like to see Breitling give Breitling Source a Limited Edition Watch!!!


Couldn't have said it better! Especially the part about the ceramic bezels. My Rolex GMT ceramic is stunning, and a lot of it is in the bezel.

I would also like to see more "brushed or satin finished" SS models. Just me thinkin'.... :idea:

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The B01 is a fantastic movement. It'll be great to see it expand into other models, but I'd also like to see more development of the Quartz movements. Some in-house SuperQuartz would be excellent, especially in something like the Airwolf/Chronospace type model.

Sorry, I'm such a SQ nut. :mrgreen:


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Another thought just popped into my head...since you are now an Omega PO fan, I'd like to see Breitling make some of their watches in different sizes similar to what Omega does with the PO. 42mm and 45mm. If the new SuperOcean II was in a 45 I'd absolutely buy one.

Lots of companies produce a certain watch in multiple sizes, id love to see Breitling do that as well.

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mfserge wrote:
Another thought just popped into my head...since you are now an Omega PO fan, I'd like to see Breitling make some of their watches in different sizes similar to what Omega does with the PO. 42mm and 45mm. If the new SuperOcean II was in a 45 I'd absolutely buy one.

Lots of companies produce a certain watch in multiple sizes, id love to see Breitling do that as well.


:drool: :drool: Oh yeah, that would be nice. After I saw the SO II in the flesh, I was a bit disappointed in the size. Having a 8" wrist, I prefer something at least 43mm. That being said, my 40mm Rolex GMTc just wears bigger and looks great.

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Roffensian wrote:
I note that the first paragraph of this thread specifically said that my views weren't wanted here, so I'll refrain, but to the Swatch movement point.........

By the end of 2010 Swatch has said that they won't provide ebauches, or more accurately in Breitling's case chablons, to companies outside of the Swatch Group. They will still provide completed movements, but to be used as such. In other words, if Breitling wishes to use ETA movements then they need to do so as is. I don't know the details, but I am sure that Swatch will agree to decoration, etc, but they aren't providing base movements for external elaboration and refinement.

That doesn't mean that Breitling has to go completely in house in terms of movements though. The base movements are all a long way past patent protection and there is no reason why other companies can't produce the designs - Sellita have been doing that for years. Part of the tooling up of Breitling for in house production has also included the ability to produce parts of the ETA / Valjoux movements so they can continue to produce parts in house, source parts from other suppliers, etc. They'll still be ETA / Valjoux designs, just not produced by ETA / Valjoux any more. Even if they are completely produced inside Breitling they wouldn't be considered in house movements as they are just copies of existing movements.


Is this your opinion that they wont be in house movements? Or is there a certain set of standards? Just curious.

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mfserge wrote:
John, I'd like to see the in-house movement in the blackbird and chronomat as well. I totally agree with you on Breitling incorporating more yellow in their watches. I love what they did on the Code Yellow.

A closed end strap is a strap where the end (that meets the lugs) conforms to the shape of the case. Take a look at this thread, notice how the end is the same shape as the case. Most bracelets have an end link the same shape as the case, this is the same concept for a leather or rubber strap. Id love to see this option on a Breitling.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20695


Just my 2 cents but I dont like the closed ended leather straps. Maybe with rubber but not leather. I like a bit of seperation. Not as much seperation as many of the Chronomats I have seen have. Honestly, the major seperation of the Chronomat is one reason I have stayed away from it.

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