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Roff - excellent work!

I think these news are great. I wouldn't think the BreitlingSource community would ever be seen as "bad branding" if they had a look. If you take the task to write a profile up, that would also be great and I'm very grateful. I really want you to understand that I'm fully appreciating your efforts.

Maybe starting of model decision should be made when we have an approved profile... One thing at the time?

Regarding charity: I don't mind giving to charity, as long as it matters and are in proportion to the total sum. That, in my mind, could be something like 5-10%. It is of course depending on the general consensus and the cause.

Finally - Please, let's keep this thing calm and together. No need to mess it up.

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I dont mind giving to charity. I actually think its a good idea anyways. Maybe we can donate to the boomer essiason fund that was mentioned the other day, as breitling is a big sponsor of them.


Also, if they make us a LE, does that mean that they will not be able to use that color combo any more in the future, i.e. nobody else can make the same model?

Nice thought RJ!

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Sounds good, Roff. Sounds like we are on our way.

I definitely vote for the red/black SOHC.

On a further note:
I like to contribute to charities as much as the next guy, but I am a little confused as to why Breitling would tip the scale towards us if we made a donation to one of thier charities. It shouldnt be nessasary. A little research of anyone at Breitling could easily find out that WE are some of the brands biggest promoters and I might add the eBay police for replicas. They are getting a ton of free promotion through our forum and I would think that because of the members and admin, they have sold tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousand of dollars of thier watches.

If the donation thing is truely nessesasary, well Im Ok with it. (although at this point I sound like a tight wad. But understand that I give locally and never to national charities).

2nd thing. To proceed, I vote for Roff to continue and draft up the documentation needed.

3rd: I think that it is impairative to get a head count of who wants one. We may only have support for a 25 watch run.

4th: If we did a poll thread on the different suggestions for color, model, blah blah blah, it would help narrow down our selection. We would need, IMO, such as a MSRP on the choices, including extras adn rederings of the different choices. (although at this point I want that red/black watch...REAL BAD!) I personally do not want to add on a bunch of stuff and end up with a $5000+ watch (before discount)...sorry. I also think that the voting and selection should be limited to those of us who are actually going to buy one!

just some random thoughts....


Scott

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Breitling Steelfish(black)
Breitling Steelfish(silver)
Panerai PAM 312
Bell & Ross BR03-92 Phantom
Steinhart BreitlingSource LE #5/15

RJ, let's just say that your thoughts are right on the money, as it were! (In terms of the charity.)
-jbbb

First, thank you Roff for taking charge of this and keeping the momemtum going.

I will buy and stand behind the LE SOHC red/black. Display back would be great as long as it does not interfere with the depth rating. xx/xx would be a nice touch, I don't think I would like anything else written.

As far as charity goes. I support a number of local organizations, but I am not against pledging to an appropriate charity if that is what it takes to finalize this deal. I am a member of another web community that represents a luxury brand and many of our events have a community service component. This other community is much larger and has a much more regional impact. I see no harm in showing that Breitling owners and specifically Breitling source is a responsible ambassador of the brand.

As far as the group profile, I also vote for Roff to keep this ball rolling. Roff, if it is necessary, I am not against divulging some personal information to you in order to further define the profile.

BTW, this is very exciting and I hope that we can manage to stay on the tracks! thanks again Roff!

Unsurprisingly a few questions, and I also have a few things to add, so here goes:

Charity donation isn't necessary - I was exploring options that help establish what kind of group we are, and I'm not making any commitment without getting your thoughts - I don't want to assume anything, and I don't intend for people to have to publicly state their thoughts on charity - feel free to either PM me or contact me through my company - the link's in my profile.

Let's also be realistic about what Breitling thinks of this site. It has a lot of things that absolutely support the brand - the eBay reporting is a perfect example that I will use in our profile, but there are also things that Breitling won't want to publicly endorse - we are the single best resource for educating / facilitating people paying as little as possible for their watches, and regardless of whether individuals find them funny or not, the brand doesn't want to be tied to our funnies section. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying any of this is bad - I've helped people save money with a few purchases after all, but let's see it from Breitling's perspective - they are not going to publicly endorse it.

We definitely need to start thinking models / options, but we also need to think numbers and people. If we go for 25 then those 25 are the ones that should have the say on the model, regardless of the vox pop. I know this is a chicken and an egg situation, but let's see the full picture.

What would be helpful is if you start thinking about how much you personally would spend, which ones you would go for, how much extra you would pay for certain options, etc. I'll try and think about how we can tabulate this and come up with some kind of spreadsheet.

Also, start thinking about how we select people. The consensus seems to be 25 as 50 may be difficult, but what happens if 35 people want one - how do we decide. I'm not going to go first come first served to penalise people on vacation / in different time zones; I'm not going to encourage post whoring by saying people with more posts have preference; and I'm not going to penalise new members by saying early registrants first - but we may need some kind of decision making process.

Finally (for now) we need to identify someone who can write a contract for this - deposit management, financial commitment, guarantee of receiving one of the pieces, etc. Obviously there will be a Breitling contract, but we need one for the group as well - if there are some contract lawyers here - preferably someone with knowledge of Canadian and / or US law (to reflect the site's ownership / location) please let me know.

All good points. I was just called on the telephone by a member here who is active on the forums and been a fairly long time member who had no idea what was going on with a potential SOHC LE group buy. I think once the spear-headers spear some heads we need to start another, more visible, strictly informative thread. That said wow that you have the bull by the horns and it looks like the majority approves the design you should go once step further and make it official removing yet another variable. People will buy it, because it's cool and limited.

As far as how many. Perhaps multiple of 5's beginning from 25 up to what ever number of people are legitimately willing to sign up for with a contract and a non-refundable good faith deposit. That should do the trick

25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50 or more really doesn't matter to me. The more people the less the cost after all How about a deadline on sign-ups? New years? Lock it out at the closest multiple of 5 on new years. If one or more people are needed at that point then it's first come first served to be fair.

Dunno, these are just some thoughts to consider.

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First off, I appologize if I came off sounding gruff about the charity contribution. I did not mean it to come out that way. I was just taken back a bit by the idea. I am NOT against the idea, if it is a reasonable percentage and it went to a reliable charity.

Roff, You posed some good points that my bias towards the group overlooked. (the get your discount part). I didnt take time to see the good and bad from a Breitling company stand point. Having said that, we are one of the biggest unpaid advertisers for Breitling ownership (expecially from an AD) and the whole eBay police thing should count for something.

I agree with In2Deep that if Breitling will make LE's at a 25 watch minimum, then lets start there and go up in 5's. I would have to insist that we have xx/xx on the case backs. It wouldnt really be a cool LE without the xx/xx!

There most definitely has to be some deadlines for different aspects of this process and there is no real reason for a person (member of this forum) not being able to get in on this as long as they 1) have the money 2) sign a contract to purchase 3) register as a buyer before a deadline. Any one joining the group after say......, New Years.. will have to wait for the next LE. We have to have a cut off date or we will never get them made.

Just a small note about the amount people are willing to spend. I will not mix words here. Some of you (as demonstrated by your rapid watch purchases within a short period and yes I am envious) are in a different tax bracket than myself. (for now!) If we get too carried away with this LE, well Im afraid that we may have a hard time finding the first 25 DIFFERENT people. Thats why I support the SOHC as the model. Frankly I would support the non chrono version as well. The base price on either is reasonable and affordable, even to myself. And yes I remember that I bought a EVO and Steelfish in the same day, but I saved for a year to have that much disposable income. From here on out it will be a one watch per trip purchasing plan...


Can anyone shed some light on the MSRP of the SOHC with a croco deploy??

Scott

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Breitling Steelfish(black)
Breitling Steelfish(silver)
Panerai PAM 312
Bell & Ross BR03-92 Phantom
Steinhart BreitlingSource LE #5/15

From the lychmob's squadron buy. Not that is applies to this particular setup but it sheds some light on BUSA's process and timeframes etc.

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For what it's worth, I think the deposit is probably more crucial than the contract. I am a lawyer, but I'm a litigator so I tend to see contracts more from a back-end perspective and I don't draft them very often. When Roff mentioned contracts, my first thought was that there would probably be a few difficulties with that. For example, who or what is going to be the entity contracting with the buyers? The owner of this website? And for international buyers, what are you going to do if they break the contract?

Seems to me that the contract's greatest value would be to deter people from backing out of the deal. I think a hefty non-refundable deposit does a better job of that.

Anybody have the vertical lug distance for the SOHC?

First of all let me say thank you to everyone that is going to be involved in the time consuming details of this project.

I am very interested at this point but I am not a 100% about the red & black SOH. I'm sorry but it's just not there yet for me.

Are we considering any other watches or dial combination still? I am also still interested in the possibility of a display back?

If the Red SOH is the direction the majority goes with this. I will try? I am very interested to see what the outcome could produce. Thanks again to everyone trying to make this work.

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- Nathan
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Breitling Avenger Skyland (Black)

Hi Roff, Hi guys,

THANKS for all the work you have done so far; no doubt a lot more to come.

As I said early on, I am in on the SOHC red/black combo. I'd like 2 (one for my cousin from whom I caught this wretched Breitling disease - see other thread) if possible.

Please add me to your spreadsheet.

Nick

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Avenger Seawolf
Chrono Avenger
Aerospace
SOHC LE

Ah, yes, maybe I should have added this in the first place:

I'm fully supporting the idea of the red/black SOHC, and I would be interested in 1 or 2 pieces, depending on where we end up on the final prize.

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