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 Post subject: Bergeon 6825 or 6825PF??
PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:47 am 
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Hi guys,
I need a strap changing tool for my new seawolf, i m getting the pro2 bracelet & also plan to get the changing tool,
i want something easy to deal with as i don't have steady hands :geek: There are 2 types of bergeon pliers 6825/6825PF,
one is with standard fork the other is with fine fork, which one i need to change the seawolf from leather to pro2 bracelet?
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You want the fine fork, but try before you buy.

I absolutely hate that thing, 6767F every day of the week for me and twice on Sundays.


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hmmn, no one over here has the bergeon 6825? I can't try it as its not locally available here(asia),
have to order it online, so thought someone can give me some input for which one will be needed for the breitlings.

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Roffensian wrote:
You want the fine fork, but try before you buy.

I absolutely hate that thing, 6767F every day of the week for me and twice on Sundays.

heard a lot of positive reviews regarding the 6767F over here, just scared i might scratch the lugs from the backside & inside,
just feel the 6825 pliers make it a simpler job with less chance of scratching the lugs..

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I almost bought one of those for my Breguet Type XXI, which had such a special fit end link/case design I felt I needed three hands to have any chance. Ultimately it became moot.

I am a confirmed klutz, yet am able to change out bracelets on every watch I've owned except the the Breguet (never tried on the Rolex). If I can do it, you can. It is so simple.

One trick I use now is to position the top of the lugs firmly againt the work surface which usually leaves the crystal/bezel etc.. sloping up and away from the work surface. That way I can apply more pressure with a particularly firm fit or reticent spring bar without worrying about the end link pushing through the front of the lugs and leaving a scratch there.

What I can tell you is I've changed out bracelets 100s of times and never scratched the watch. When it comes to being handy, the only other thing I can do is change a light bulb...on a good day.

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sharkman wrote:
I almost bought one of those for my Breguet Type XXI, which had such a special fit end link/case design I felt I needed three hands to have any chance. Ultimately it became moot.

I am a confirmed klutz, yet am able to change out bracelets on every watch I've owned except the the Breguet (never tried on the Rolex). If I can do it, you can. It is so simple.

One trick I use now is to position the top of the lugs firmly againt the work surface which usually leaves the crystal/bezel etc.. sloping up and away from the work surface. That way I can apply more pressure with a particularly firm fit or reticent spring bar without worrying about the end link pushing through the front of the lugs and leaving a scratch there.

What I can tell you is I've changed out bracelets 100s of times and never scratched the watch. When it comes to being handy, the only other thing I can do is change a light bulb...on a good day.

Thanks for the heads up, isn't the bergeon pliers easier to use then just the pin tool kit? have you tried the bergeon pliers?

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insane79 wrote:
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I almost bought one of those for my Breguet Type XXI, which had such a special fit end link/case design I felt I needed three hands to have any chance. Ultimately it became moot.

I am a confirmed klutz, yet am able to change out bracelets on every watch I've owned except the the Breguet (never tried on the Rolex). If I can do it, you can. It is so simple.

One trick I use now is to position the top of the lugs firmly againt the work surface which usually leaves the crystal/bezel etc.. sloping up and away from the work surface. That way I can apply more pressure with a particularly firm fit or reticent spring bar without worrying about the end link pushing through the front of the lugs and leaving a scratch there.

What I can tell you is I've changed out bracelets 100s of times and never scratched the watch. When it comes to being handy, the only other thing I can do is change a light bulb...on a good day.

Thanks for the heads up, isn't the bergeon pliers easier to use then just the pin tool kit? have you tried the bergeon pliers?

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I have not, but my guess is it in't quite as easy as it appears. Don't know of a single jeweler who uses them.

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sharkman wrote:
I have not, but my guess is it in't quite as easy as it appears. Don't know of a single jeweler who uses them.


I have used them several times in an attempt to get used to them and absolutely loathe them with a passion. You have two sharp forks to worry about scratching the case, and an additional worry that you have to get the gap exactly right to get both ends into the lugs at the same time without any damage. Additionally, the angle of the forks seems mighty unnatural (to me) relative to the ease of use of a 6767. Oh yeah, and the price.........


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Roffensian wrote:
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I have not, but my guess is it in't quite as easy as it appears. Don't know of a single jeweler who uses them.


I have used them several times in an attempt to get used to them and absolutely loathe them with a passion. You have two sharp forks to worry about scratching the case, and an additional worry that you have to get the gap exactly right to get both ends into the lugs at the same time without any damage. Additionally, the angle of the forks seems mighty unnatural (to me) relative to the ease of use of a 6767. Oh yeah, and the price.........

You got a point. Guess the 6825 pliers don't make the changing of straps any easy..


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just saw these bergeon pliers on ebay uk, i did a search over here & couldn't find any info about them here, its the Bergeon 6618 pliers, anyone got any info about them?
here is the link-
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BERGEON-6618- ... 557wt_1180

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Worse than the 6825.

Just think about how they are going to fit against the lugs when you are trying to insert / remove a spring bar - the sharp points are right up against them.

There is a reason why the 6767F is used by 99% of people, and it's not just because it's the cheapest!


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Roffensian wrote:
Worse than the 6825.

Just think about how they are going to fit against the lugs when you are trying to insert / remove a spring bar - the sharp points are right up against them.

There is a reason why the 6767F is used by 99% of people, and it's not just because it's the cheapest!

hmmn :roll: I got a leather strap on my seawolf, will the fine fork tips of the 6767F be good enough for swapping leather straps?

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Worse than the 6825.

Just think about how they are going to fit against the lugs when you are trying to insert / remove a spring bar - the sharp points are right up against them.

There is a reason why the 6767F is used by 99% of people, and it's not just because it's the cheapest!

hmmn :roll: I got a leather strap on my seawolf, will the fine fork tips of the 6767F be good enough for swapping leather straps?

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Yes.


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Roffensian wrote:
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Worse than the 6825.

Just think about how they are going to fit against the lugs when you are trying to insert / remove a spring bar - the sharp points are right up against them.

There is a reason why the 6767F is used by 99% of people, and it's not just because it's the cheapest!

hmmn :roll: I got a leather strap on my seawolf, will the fine fork tips of the 6767F be good enough for swapping leather straps?

Thanks..



Yes.

Thanks for all the help :D


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:38 pm 
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I got the 6767f off of Roff suggestions in another thread and I'm a total newbie and it couldn't be any easier to remove my pro 2 off my Superocean. Best $25 I could have spent, that's my 2 cents.


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